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From: "Dr. Adrian Wrigley" <amtw@linuxchip.demon.co.uk.uk.uk>
Subject: Re: Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:51:27 GMT
Date: 2006-06-28T10:51:27+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2006.06.28.10.50.58.723082@linuxchip.demon.co.uk.uk.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87ac7ypaaa.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org

On Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:18:37 +0200, Ludovic Brenta wrote:
 
> A license is not the same as a contract.  A contract has to have
> measurable obligations for both parties; a license is only a grant of
> rights to the licensee, possibly without compensation.  No
> compensation, no contract, either written or implied.

After I sent my message, I found this article:
http://www.advogato.org/article/606.html

I have changed my position slightly.

It doesn't seem clear to "the experts" whether GPL is perpetual
or revocable or not :(   And it doesn't seem clear whether it is
a simple copyright licence, or is part of a contract :(
But it is clear that significanty different interpretations would
be placed on the GPL by different legal systems and different
(US) states :(

I do believe that there is "consideration" required of a (English)
contract. GPL *obligates* the licensee to make available source code to
everyone to whom a binary is distributed.  And it *obligates* the licensee
to license source modifications to the recipients of binaries, and
*obligates* the licensee to grant the rights to pass the source to third
parties.  These obligations on the licensee can be extremely valuable to
the licensor.  But the lack of any obligation on the licensee to
distribute in the first place may invalidate the contingent obligation.
Perhaps the contract is formed when the licensee takes actions of
possible benefit to the licensor (such as distribution, modification etc)?
In the end, I don't know how important the contract question is, but
it is unquestionable that damages are caused to parties who seem to
have lost rights to distribute their Ada programs by the recent changes.

The Free Software Definition from gnu.org says:

"In order for these freedoms to be real, they must be irrevocable as long
as you do nothing wrong; if the developer of the software has the power to
revoke the license, without your doing anything to give cause, the
software is not free."

It seems pretty clear from the general industry practice in software
that GPL is not revocable.  The Ada software in question does not
meet this definition of Free Software if the GMGPL licences really
have been revoked.

The strange thing is that nobody seems to benefit from the changes
and the consequent FUD :(
--
Dr. Adrian Wrigley,
Cambridge.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-06-28 10:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-27 10:58 Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 11:48 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-27 13:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:16     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:14       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 20:26         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 16:38     ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-27 17:58       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  0:24         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:09           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28  7:45             ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 13:07               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:07                 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 22:26                   ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 16:46                     ` Martin Krischik
2006-07-01  8:20                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-02 12:10                         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 20:26               ` Simon Wright
2006-06-29 17:45           ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-30  8:55             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  7:28         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28  8:07           ` No relicense everything now! (was: Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 13:14             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:53           ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 20:31             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-30  8:40               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:19               ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 22:06             ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-30  8:46               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:21               ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-28  0:18       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:12         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 22:45           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 21:54         ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 22:57           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:06       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28  7:49         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 17:43       ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 23:10     ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-28  2:23       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:40     ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 15:00   ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:49     ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  0:06       ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:22         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:58           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 10:19             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-04 22:13               ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:55             ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-04 20:29               ` Simon Wright
2006-07-04 22:34                 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 22:20               ` M E Leypold
2006-07-14 13:11                 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-14 15:14                   ` michael bode
2006-07-14 19:58                   ` M E Leypold
2006-07-17 20:13                     ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-17 21:24                       ` Michael Bode
2006-07-17 22:23                         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-18  0:38                           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18  7:40                             ` michael bode
2006-07-18 10:22                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 11:55                                 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 19:46                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 19:55                                     ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 10:58                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-18 11:35                                 ` Revocable or non-revocable licenses from AdaCore? (Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-07-18 20:37                                   ` Samuel Tardieu
2006-07-18 12:55                                 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? michael bode
2006-07-18 13:26                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2006-07-18 19:11                                     ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 20:33                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-20 21:55                                     ` Björn Persson
2006-07-18 14:22                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-06-28 14:27       ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 15:22         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 15:36         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:18         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29  7:09           ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-29 20:01         ` Björn Persson
2006-06-30  8:52           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:02         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:55           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:07           ` Michael Bode
2006-07-04 22:18             ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 10:18           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-06-28  5:58   ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 13:04     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 22:46       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30  7:01         ` Martin Dowie
2006-07-01  8:48           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30  8:39         ` M E Leypold
2006-07-01  8:58           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 13:46 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Alex R. Mosteo
2006-06-27 14:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 14:52   ` What luck we had M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:13     ` Pascal Obry
2006-06-28 13:39       ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 19:20         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:40     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-28  0:02       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:57   ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ed Falis
2006-06-28  0:58     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:45       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:10   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  1:02     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 15:00 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 15:28   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:38     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 16:40     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 17:45       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-06-27 21:18       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  0:45         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  0:48         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 10:51         ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley [this message]
2006-06-28 11:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 11:21             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 12:41               ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 13:36             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 13:31           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  0:42       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:24       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 23:00         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:50     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  0:50       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:25     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  0:52       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:39     ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-27 20:47       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  0:53         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 18:57         ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 13:50     ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 14:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:14         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:55           ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 19:54       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29  6:12       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2006-06-28 19:22     ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 18:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 19:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 19:39     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:09       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 20:23         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:53           ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 22:53             ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28  5:11               ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  1:29             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  1:18         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:07         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 17:58           ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 18:17             ` Ed Falis
2006-06-28 18:55             ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-30 19:55               ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 18:57             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:28               ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 19:38                 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:17             ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 20:48             ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28  1:07     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 21:07   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:19     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  1:40       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  1:35     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 11:57   ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 18:45     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:51     ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 20:46       ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 23:06         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 22:44 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-03 18:21 ` Matthew Goulet
2006-07-04  7:21   ` Ludovic Brenta
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2006-06-28 13:55 ` Carroll, Andrew
2006-06-28 19:57   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 23:12     ` M E Leypold
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