* GNAT GPL 2005 Edition @ 2005-09-13 13:50 Santiago Urueña 2005-09-13 14:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Santiago Urueña @ 2005-09-13 13:50 UTC (permalink / raw) I've just seen this at AdaCore's Libre site, and it seems it will be released very, very soon!: http://libre.adacore.com/gpl_notice.html In my opinion this is great news for the entire Ada community, and not only for Free-software developers. Regards, -- Santiago Urueña ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 13:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition Santiago Urueña @ 2005-09-13 14:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen 2005-09-13 15:43 ` Britt Snodgrass ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Jacob Sparre Andersen @ 2005-09-13 14:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Santiago Urue�a wrote: > I've just seen this at AdaCore's Libre site, and it seems it will be > released very, very soon!: > > http://libre.adacore.com/gpl_notice.html Very good news! Jacob -- "You've got to build bypasses!" ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 13:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition Santiago Urueña 2005-09-13 14:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen @ 2005-09-13 15:43 ` Britt Snodgrass 2005-09-14 4:31 ` jim hopper 2005-09-14 9:36 ` Alex R. Mosteo 2005-09-13 17:03 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-09-16 12:50 ` Nasser Abbasi 3 siblings, 2 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Britt Snodgrass @ 2005-09-13 15:43 UTC (permalink / raw) This is good news. I hope the release will include a pre-built version of GNAT for MAC OS X including ASIS and the GNAT pretty-printer. Britt ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 15:43 ` Britt Snodgrass @ 2005-09-14 4:31 ` jim hopper 2005-09-14 9:36 ` Alex R. Mosteo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: jim hopper @ 2005-09-14 4:31 UTC (permalink / raw) Britt, the mac os x compiler from www.macada.org has a decent pretty printer as part of the xcode IDE integration. in addition on the tools is a standalone version with a nice gui i wrote for it. jim In article <1126626211.199881.45600@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, Britt Snodgrass <britt.snodgrass@gmail.com> wrote: > This is good news. I hope the release will include a pre-built version > of GNAT for MAC OS X including ASIS and the GNAT pretty-printer. > > Britt > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 15:43 ` Britt Snodgrass 2005-09-14 4:31 ` jim hopper @ 2005-09-14 9:36 ` Alex R. Mosteo 1 sibling, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Alex R. Mosteo @ 2005-09-14 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw) Britt Snodgrass wrote: > This is good news. I hope the release will include a pre-built version > of GNAT for MAC OS X including ASIS and the GNAT pretty-printer. > > Britt I don't know about the Mac part, but it's my understanding that this release is closely related to the GAP ones, and these include ASIS and the pretty printer, so chances are good. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 13:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition Santiago Urueña 2005-09-13 14:09 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen 2005-09-13 15:43 ` Britt Snodgrass @ 2005-09-13 17:03 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-09-13 23:33 ` David Trudgett 2005-09-16 12:50 ` Nasser Abbasi 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-13 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Santiago Urue�a wrote: > I've just seen this at AdaCore's Libre site, and it seems it will be > released very, very soon!: > > http://libre.adacore.com/gpl_notice.html > > In my opinion this is great news for the entire Ada community, and not > only for Free-software developers. Interesting. In the past, AdaCore's public releases were suitable for producing non-GPL SW. I wonder if "This new Edition will provide Free Software developers, that is developers that distribute their work under the GPL" means the runtime and libraries will be GPL, rather than GMGPL, forcing the resulting executables to be GPL. -- Jeffrey Carter "Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time." Monty Python and the Holy Grail E-mail: jeffrey_r_carter-nr [commercial-at] raytheon [period | full stop] com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 17:03 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-13 23:33 ` David Trudgett 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: David Trudgett @ 2005-09-13 23:33 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter <spam@spam.com> writes: > Santiago Urue�a wrote: >> I've just seen this at AdaCore's Libre site, and it seems it will be >> released very, very soon!: >> http://libre.adacore.com/gpl_notice.html >> In my opinion this is great news for the entire Ada community, and >> not >> only for Free-software developers. > > Interesting. In the past, AdaCore's public releases were suitable for > producing non-GPL SW. I wonder if "This new Edition will provide Free > Software developers, that is developers that distribute their work > under the GPL" means the runtime and libraries will be GPL, rather > than GMGPL, forcing the resulting executables to be GPL. Even if it is the case (and I have no idea) that the modified GPL is not used, it still does not mean that resulting executables are "GPL". It would only mean (at most -- see below) that those executables couldn't be formally distributed except under the GPL. This means that in-house proprietary software is completely unaffected by the GPL. "The GPL permits anyone to make a modified version and use it without ever distributing it to others." ... "It is essential for people to have the freedom to make modifications and use them privately, without ever publishing those modifications." -- http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html That said, I believe the spirit of the GPL (applied to compilers like GNAT) is (or should be) to protect the software itself (compiler) from being hijacked by proprietary interests. The GPL doesn't apply to the output of programs, and an executable binary is just the output of the compiler. Therefore, according to this logic, programs compiled by a GPL'ed compiler are not themselves under the GPL (unless you make them so). In that regard, note: Can I use GPL-covered editors such as GNU Emacs to develop non-free programs? Can I use GPL-covered tools such as GCC to compile them? Yes, because the copyright on the editors and tools does not cover the code you write. Using them does not place any restrictions, legally, on the license you use for your code. Some programs copy parts of themselves into the output for technical reasons--for example, Bison copies a standard parser program into its output file. In such cases, the copied text in the output is covered by the same license that covers it in the source code. Meanwhile, the part of the output which is derived from the program's input inherits the copyright status of the input. As it happens, Bison can also be used to develop non-free programs. This is because we decided to explicitly permit the use of the Bison standard parser program in Bison output files without restriction. We made the decision because there were other tools comparable to Bison which already permitted use for non-free programs. So, the only possible grey areas with GNAT would be (a) if it copies parts of itself into its output; or (b) statically or dynamically links to GPL'ed libraries. In regard to libraries, we note in the case of GCC: Does the libstdc++ exception permit dynamic linking? Yes. The intent of the exception is to allow people to compile proprietary software using gcc. So, can anyone comment on whether (a) or (b) actually applies to GNAT? I have my doubts that (a) would apply, since it doesn't seem to apply to GCC. As for (b), that would be a matter of library licensing, and not of GNAT's licence itself. David -- David Trudgett http://www.zeta.org.au/~wpower/ All these men who were going to murder or to torture the famishing and defenseless creatures who provide them their sustenance had the air of men who knew very well that they were doing their duty, and some were even proud, were "glorying" in what they were doing. -- Leo Tolstoy ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 23:33 ` David Trudgett @ 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson 2005-09-14 0:47 ` Jeff Creem ` (3 more replies) 0 siblings, 4 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Björn Persson @ 2005-09-14 0:00 UTC (permalink / raw) David Trudgett wrote: > Does the libstdc++ exception permit dynamic linking? > > Yes. The intent of the exception is to allow people to compile > proprietary software using gcc. > > [...] that would be a matter of library licensing, and > not of GNAT's licence itself. Exactly. Until now, the license of Gnat's implementation of the standard Ada library has had an exception just like libstdc++. Now this announcement appears to say that the new edition will only be useful for building GPL software, and that makes Jeffrey Carter and me wonder if perhaps that exception has been removed. -- Bj�rn Persson PGP key A88682FD omb jor ers @sv ge. r o.b n.p son eri nu ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson @ 2005-09-14 0:47 ` Jeff Creem 2005-09-14 8:22 ` Martin Dowie 2005-09-14 6:54 ` David Trudgett ` (2 subsequent siblings) 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeff Creem @ 2005-09-14 0:47 UTC (permalink / raw) Bj�rn Persson wrote: > David Trudgett wrote: > >> Does the libstdc++ exception permit dynamic linking? >> >> Yes. The intent of the exception is to allow people to compile >> proprietary software using gcc. >> >> [...] that would be a matter of library licensing, and >> not of GNAT's licence itself. > > > Exactly. Until now, the license of Gnat's implementation of the standard > Ada library has had an exception just like libstdc++. Now this > announcement appears to say that the new edition will only be useful for > building GPL software, and that makes Jeffrey Carter and me wonder if > perhaps that exception has been removed. > Obviously we will need to wait and see....But if I had to bet I would expect that this is just meant to be vague enough like some of the other ACT things that large companies (that should probably be buying support anyway) are freaked out enough to buy the supported version. More likely though is that it will add to the GPL is a virus and push companies to Greenhills... ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 0:47 ` Jeff Creem @ 2005-09-14 8:22 ` Martin Dowie 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2005-09-14 8:22 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeff Creem wrote: > More likely though is that it will add to the GPL is a virus and push > companies to Greenhills... That's not necessarily a bad thing - having heathy competition between Ada vendors will keep their offerings to their customers from becoming stale and unsupported. It keeps Greenhills in the Ada game and (presumably) provides revenue to SofCheck to keep them in it too! Ditto for Aonix. Cheers -- Martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson 2005-09-14 0:47 ` Jeff Creem @ 2005-09-14 6:54 ` David Trudgett 2005-09-18 16:45 ` Florian Weimer 2005-09-14 16:03 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-09-15 11:55 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: David Trudgett @ 2005-09-14 6:54 UTC (permalink / raw) Bj�rn Persson <spam-away@nowhere.nil> writes: > David Trudgett wrote: >> Does the libstdc++ exception permit dynamic linking? >> Yes. The intent of the exception is to allow people to >> compile >> proprietary software using gcc. >> [...] that would be a matter of library licensing, and >> not of GNAT's licence itself. > > Exactly. Until now, the license of Gnat's implementation of the > standard Ada library has had an exception just like libstdc++. Now > this announcement appears to say that the new edition will only be > useful for building GPL software, and that makes Jeffrey Carter and me > wonder if perhaps that exception has been removed. It occurs to me that removing this exception would be tantamount to provoking a code fork. As others have commented, the wording is probably nothing more than perception management. We'll have to wait and see. David -- David Trudgett http://www.zeta.org.au/~wpower/ Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. -- Martin Luther King, Jr. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 6:54 ` David Trudgett @ 2005-09-18 16:45 ` Florian Weimer 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Florian Weimer @ 2005-09-18 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw) * David Trudgett: > It occurs to me that removing this exception would be tantamount to > provoking a code fork. For a fork to happen, you need two parties. I haven't heard of anyone outside AdaCore actively working on fixing bugs and implementing new features in GNAT in a systematic manner (at least its compiler part). Backporting and forward-porting changes is a laudable activity, and I admire those who spend their spare time on it. But actually improving the compiler in a systematic way requires a new level of development activity. And you also have to keep in mind that AdaCore will happily take all the code you write and sell it to their customers, without compensating you. Not exactly motivating. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson 2005-09-14 0:47 ` Jeff Creem 2005-09-14 6:54 ` David Trudgett @ 2005-09-14 16:03 ` Jeffrey Carter 2005-09-14 17:03 ` Martin Dowie 2005-09-15 11:55 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-14 16:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Bj�rn Persson wrote: > > Exactly. Until now, the license of Gnat's implementation of the standard > Ada library has had an exception just like libstdc++. Now this > announcement appears to say that the new edition will only be useful for > building GPL software, and that makes Jeffrey Carter and me wonder if > perhaps that exception has been removed. Also, Ada programs link in an Ada run time library. If the run time library is GPL, then the resulting program is GPL. All existing public GNAT releases from AdaCore have had an exception on the run time library. One could always use another implementation of the standard library, but another version of the run time library is a bit more difficult. Probably there is no problem, and AdaCore's public releases will still be able to produce non-GPL programs. Even if AdaCore decides to remove the exemption from the run time library for its public releases, we still have the GCC versions, which we can reasonably expect to adhere to the goals of the GCC project, which include being able to produce non-GPL programs. -- Jeffrey Carter "Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time." Monty Python and the Holy Grail E-mail: jeffrey_r_carter-nr [commercial-at] raytheon [period | full stop] com ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 16:03 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-14 17:03 ` Martin Dowie 2005-09-14 17:16 ` Alex R. Mosteo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Martin Dowie @ 2005-09-14 17:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Jeffrey Carter wrote: > Also, Ada programs link in an Ada run time library. If the run time > library is GPL, then the resulting program is GPL. All existing public > GNAT releases from AdaCore have had an exception on the run time library. > > One could always use another implementation of the standard library, but > another version of the run time library is a bit more difficult. > > Probably there is no problem, and AdaCore's public releases will still > be able to produce non-GPL programs. Even if AdaCore decides to remove > the exemption from the run time library for its public releases, we > still have the GCC versions, which we can reasonably expect to adhere to > the goals of the GCC project, which include being able to produce > non-GPL programs. Well, it's there now - so let's all go and find out! :-) -- Martin ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 17:03 ` Martin Dowie @ 2005-09-14 17:16 ` Alex R. Mosteo 2005-09-14 19:09 ` Marc A. Criley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Alex R. Mosteo @ 2005-09-14 17:16 UTC (permalink / raw) Martin Dowie wrote: > Jeffrey Carter wrote: > >> Also, Ada programs link in an Ada run time library. If the run time >> library is GPL, then the resulting program is GPL. All existing public >> GNAT releases from AdaCore have had an exception on the run time library. >> >> One could always use another implementation of the standard library, >> but another version of the run time library is a bit more difficult. >> >> Probably there is no problem, and AdaCore's public releases will still >> be able to produce non-GPL programs. Even if AdaCore decides to remove >> the exemption from the run time library for its public releases, we >> still have the GCC versions, which we can reasonably expect to adhere >> to the goals of the GCC project, which include being able to produce >> non-GPL programs. > > Well, it's there now - so let's all go and find out! :-) It seems they've changed tracks. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 17:16 ` Alex R. Mosteo @ 2005-09-14 19:09 ` Marc A. Criley 2005-09-15 10:03 ` Alex R. Mosteo 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Marc A. Criley @ 2005-09-14 19:09 UTC (permalink / raw) Alex R. Mosteo wrote: > It seems they've changed tracks. Yep, if you go look at the file headers, you'll see a section has been carved out of each one where the GNAT Modified "As a special exception..." used to reside. -- Marc A. Criley -- McKae Technologies -- www.mckae.com -- DTraq - XPath In Ada - XML EZ Out ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 19:09 ` Marc A. Criley @ 2005-09-15 10:03 ` Alex R. Mosteo 2005-09-15 13:11 ` Marc A. Criley 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Alex R. Mosteo @ 2005-09-15 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw) Marc A. Criley escribi�: > Alex R. Mosteo wrote: > >> It seems they've changed tracks. > > > Yep, if you go look at the file headers, you'll see a section has been > carved out of each one where the GNAT Modified "As a special > exception..." used to reside. Besides, it's plainly stated in the web page. There's even a comparison of versions and licenses. https://libre2.adacore.com/dynamic/comp_chart.html And yep, there's Florist and Asis (for Mac too). ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-15 10:03 ` Alex R. Mosteo @ 2005-09-15 13:11 ` Marc A. Criley 2005-09-16 5:34 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Marc A. Criley @ 2005-09-15 13:11 UTC (permalink / raw) Alex R. Mosteo wrote: > Marc A. Criley escribi�: > >> Alex R. Mosteo wrote: >> >>> It seems they've changed tracks. >> >> Yep, if you go look at the file headers, you'll see a section has been >> carved out of each one where the GNAT Modified "As a special >> exception..." used to reside. > > Besides, it's plainly stated in the web page. There's even a comparison > of versions and licenses. > > https://libre2.adacore.com/dynamic/comp_chart.html > > And yep, there's Florist and Asis (for Mac too). Some other info: Version information (via gcc -v) says that it's "gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special)". There are also some "3.4.5" directories present. Someone earlier in this thread stated that the 4.x CVS repository does not have the strict GPL encumbrance, so that remains an option. You just don't get everything nicely packaged up for you. And last I heard, ASIS wasn't part of that repository. -- Marc A. Criley -- McKae Technologies -- www.mckae.com -- DTraq - XPath In Ada - XML EZ Out ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-15 13:11 ` Marc A. Criley @ 2005-09-16 5:34 ` Simon Wright 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Simon Wright @ 2005-09-16 5:34 UTC (permalink / raw) "Marc A. Criley" <mcNOSPAM@mckae.com> writes: > Someone earlier in this thread stated that the 4.x CVS repository does > not have the strict GPL encumbrance, so that remains an option. You > just don't get everything nicely packaged up for you. And last I > heard, ASIS wasn't part of that repository. As of a moment ago, the head revision at savannah.gnu.org is still GMGPL. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-14 0:00 ` Björn Persson ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-09-14 16:03 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-15 11:55 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley 3 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Dr. Adrian Wrigley @ 2005-09-15 11:55 UTC (permalink / raw) On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 00:00:39 +0000, Bj�rn Persson wrote: ... > Exactly. Until now, the license of Gnat's implementation of the standard > Ada library has had an exception just like libstdc++. Now this > announcement appears to say that the new edition will only be useful for > building GPL software, and that makes Jeffrey Carter and me wonder if > perhaps that exception has been removed. <rant> Now I'm really confused! If we want to supply Ada programs compiled with GNAT (without source), we need to beg for a copy of GNAT Pro from someone? Or what? GNAT Pro users can supply anyone they want with the GNAT Pro tools licensed under GMGPL and GPL? Can users of the new GNAT GPL edition merge in old GMGPL library code before they can supply their binaries to others under a license of their choice? This amplifies the kind of Fear/Uncertainty/Doubt that Ada already suffers from. Are there any precedents of library licenses being downgraded like this in other languages? I can't image gcc users writing in C++ putting up with this kind of change! Will there be *any* compilers available for Ada 2005 suitable for developers of free, closed source code? Surely lack of suitable (free or inexpensive) compilers for Ada projects was *exactly* the problem GNAT was developed to solve? Even open source, GPL-incompatible licenses can't be used with GNAT GPL, except for internal projects :( Is ACT serious about enforcing these new restrictions? Do they have the lawyers ready to harrass transgressors? It seems like a most unfriendly thing to do... I think it is a serious trap for people hoping to use gcc for Ada projects to find they cannot use Ada unless they switch to a suitable license. I hope ACT will give a detailed explanation of their rationale for the change in terms, and explain the *all* options available to software developers who are caught up by this change. Does this change really bring ACT more benefit than the negativity towards them and towards Ada that will result? </rant> -- Adrian ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-13 13:50 GNAT GPL 2005 Edition Santiago Urueña ` (2 preceding siblings ...) 2005-09-13 17:03 ` Jeffrey Carter @ 2005-09-16 12:50 ` Nasser Abbasi 2005-09-16 13:23 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen 3 siblings, 1 reply; 22+ messages in thread From: Nasser Abbasi @ 2005-09-16 12:50 UTC (permalink / raw) Could someone please explain which GNAT should one use, the one in GCC or this version? I am confused about versions now, and I do not want to read all the release notes and comments to find out, just a 1-line managerial type high level easy to follow explanation as to which one to use would be great :) I have thought before than from now on GCC will have GNAT/Ada integrated in it. Is GNAT 2005 edition different from the GNAT that is now or will be in GCC? Nasser ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
* Re: GNAT GPL 2005 Edition 2005-09-16 12:50 ` Nasser Abbasi @ 2005-09-16 13:23 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen 0 siblings, 0 replies; 22+ messages in thread From: Jacob Sparre Andersen @ 2005-09-16 13:23 UTC (permalink / raw) Nasser Abbasi wrote: > Could someone please explain which GNAT should one use, the one in > GCC or this version? If you _only_ distribute your software under GNU GPL, the new version published by AdaCore should be acceptable. If you distribute _some_ software under a different license than GNU GPL, you should keep the new version published by AdaCore far away from your computer. Jacob -- "Those who profess to favor freedom and yet depreciate agitation, are people who want crops without ploughing the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning; they want the ocean without the roar of its waters." -- Frederick Douglas ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 22+ messages in thread
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