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From: David Starner <dvdeug@email.ro>
Subject: Re: memory management and productivity
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:06:57 GMT
Date: 2004-06-23T22:06:57+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <pan.2004.06.23.22.05.36.850547@email.ro> (raw)
In-Reply-To: rcjCc.96718$dP1.318279@newsc.telia.net

On Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:36:23 +0000, Bj�rn Persson wrote:

> Could someone enlighten me a little on the mysteries of garbage?
> 
> Since a garbage collector can apparently be compiled in as a library, 
> why isn't that good enough? Is it a great advantage to have it provided 
> by the compiler instead?

The only library garbage collectors I know about are conservative; they
assume that every pointer-size chunk of accessible memory is a pointer,
(unless it's in a block of data that was allocated with a special function
that tells the GC there are no pointers in that data.) They don't move
memory because you can't adjust pointers if you can't tell pointers from
integers. A garbage collector that was part of the compiler could tell
integers from pointers (that is, be a precise collector instead of a
conservative collector) and could move items in memory (which many
high-performance GCs do.) This makes easier, for example, for a compiler
to scan only the new stuff, which has a shorter live time than the stuff
the program has kept around for a while. The first may be more important;
a misplaced integer could potentially hold several megabytes of garbage in
memory.



  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-23 22:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-06-17  4:56 memory management and productivity Russ
2004-06-17  5:15 ` tmoran
2004-06-17  8:07 ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-18 23:10   ` Russ
2004-06-19  9:04     ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  4:16       ` Russ
2004-06-21  7:29         ` Jano
2004-06-21  8:02           ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  8:22             ` Jano
2004-06-21  9:07               ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21 22:36             ` Brian May
2004-06-22  7:47               ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21  8:14           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-21  8:27             ` Jano
2004-06-21  8:29             ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-22  7:53               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-26 15:44                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21 16:31             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-22  7:58               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-21  8:14           ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-21 15:22             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-21 16:47               ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-21 17:51           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-22 17:02             ` Pascal Obry
2004-06-26 15:54             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21  7:46         ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-21 19:03           ` Russ
2004-06-22  2:39             ` David Starner
2004-06-22  8:03               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-23  4:41                 ` Russ
2004-06-23  7:41                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-23 17:36                     ` Björn Persson
2004-06-23 22:06                       ` David Starner [this message]
2004-06-24  0:34                         ` Björn Persson
2004-06-24  6:45                           ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-24 10:27                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-06-23 23:02                       ` Russ
2004-06-26 16:16                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-23 13:11                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-23 17:21                     ` Björn Persson
2004-06-24  7:35                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-26 17:10                         ` Simon Wright
2004-06-23 18:18                     ` Russ
2004-06-23 23:18                       ` David Starner
2004-06-23 22:15                     ` Larry Kilgallen
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2004-06-24  6:40                       ` Russ
2004-06-26 16:33                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-29  0:33                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-06-24 13:29                     ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-24 14:09                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-06-24 19:58                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-06-25  1:30                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-25  2:15                         ` Russ
2004-06-24 19:26                       ` Russ
2004-06-25  1:37                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-06-25 10:13                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-06-26  0:20                             ` David Starner
2004-06-25 23:35                           ` Russ
2004-06-26 11:27                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-06-26 13:45                             ` Ed Falis
2004-06-26 20:38                               ` Russ
2004-06-26 21:36                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-06-27  7:54                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-06-26 17:20                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-25  8:52                         ` David Starner
2004-06-24 20:51                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-06-22  6:09             ` Martin Krischik
2004-06-22 10:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-06-26 16:00             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-06-21  8:23         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-06-21 10:33 Christoph Karl Walter Grein
2004-06-21 10:38 ` Jano
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