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From: "Robert I. Eachus" <rieachus@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:08:45 -0500
Date: 2003-12-28T01:08:45-05:00	[thread overview]
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Alexandre E. Kopilovitch wrote:
> I think that the following posting (of Robert I. Eachus) should be placed in
> appropriate section of Ada-promoting websites, at least unofficial ones, such
> as AdaPower and AdaWorld - because it is the best explanation of the Ada
> adavantages at essentially popular level I ever seen. Yes, it may be enhanced
> by correcting typos (I noticed at least one) and by making the explanations
> of the crash cases slightly more detailed (perhaps providing simple pictures)
> - not all readers have pilot experience or at least are regular readers of
> Flying magazine; but even without those enhancements it is a very rare writing,
> which can explain the matter for some people inlvolved into decision processes
> about software - so it should be made easily accessible and referenced.

I'm glad you like it, but as you said, it needs some work.  What I 
realized I left out after I posted it was an explanation of the "Cobra 
Dance" crashes of F-104s.  This involved the same thing that happened in 
the two go-around crashes.  With the F-104 you could get "under the 
power curve" and more power to the engines increased the AoA in spite of 
any control inputs from the pilot.  The state usually occurred on a 
landing approach, but no one survived to explain what happened.  Finally 
one pilot realized he was going into a cobra dance and decided to kill 
all electrical power (including fuel pumps) so that he would have a 
chance to avoid the fatal fire (no zero altitude ejection seats back 
then--and regained control of the aircraft.

The effect was nowhere near as bad in the A320.  But setting the control 
mode to take-off/go-around spooled up the engines without checking the AoA.

Incidently I have no real clue as to whether programming the A320 in Ada 
would have caught this problem.  It would have been much more likely to 
catch the glide path problem that occurred in the Strasbourg crash.  But 
in a way they were the same problem--cases where maximum limits should 
have been specified (on rate of descent and AoA).  In Ada, of course, 
you would tend to ask what the limit on the commanded rate of descent by 
the autopilot should be when the aircraft was above the glide path on 
landing--and that would lead to lots of meetings to figure out the 
answer.  In fact, the original "probable cause" for the Strasbourg crash 
was pilot error.  Airbus figured that the aircrew must have set the 
autopilot descent rate incorrectly.  It turned out later that, once the 
last waypoint was cleared, that setting was ignored.

Hmm.  The code was not as bad as that seems to suggest.  If the aircraft 
was in the glide path, but too high, the setting was obeyed.  If the 
aircraft was outside the glide path the limits were ignored.  That is 
probably not a wrong choice--if the aircraft is already in the glide 
path when you enter the mode. (For example, if flying through a 
microburst, do you want to limit the potential actions if the plane is 
being taken entirely out of the glide path?  Definitely not on the low 
side.  On the high side, say a sudden headwind?  I might prefer abort/go 
around to precipitous action.) In the Strasbourg crash the pilot was on 
approach to one runway, then was directed to land on another.  His last 
set waypoint was fine for the first runway, deadly for the second, and 
the plane was probably unrecoverable before the crew had a clue that 
there was a problem.

If you need to visualize it, the plane was instructed to approach the 
runway from the side, then turn into the glide path inside the outer 
marker.  Not a landing pilots like, but better than take-offs where you 
have to turn immediately.  However when the flight control system 
started "flying the glide path," it thought it was way too high, off to 
the side, and on the wrong heading.  It tried to fix all three 
"problems" immediately.

The AoA case is more difficult because the actual AoA is not something 
where you want the software to crash (or cause an exception) if the AoA 
is out of reasonable bounds.  However, it is hard to imagine someone 
familar with the domain--flight control systems--letting through go 
around code that ignored the AoA. The reason it apparently got through 
shows in the name of the mode: take off/go around.  It would not seem 
strange to ignore the AoA when spooling the engines up to take-off.

Is that what happened?  I don't know for sure, and I don't think anyone 
does.  All we have are recollections years afterwards that the formal 
specifications were very opaque to anyone not familiar with formal logic 
and programming, and that there were some problems validating the 
specifications for that reason.

This, incidently, is one of the reasons why I always say that in Ada, 
the right approach is not to model the solution space, but to model the 
problem space.  That way the requirements are easy to trace, implement, 
verify, and if necessary modify, in terms meaningful to domain experts.

-- 
                                           Robert I. Eachus

"The war on terror is a different kind of war, waged capture by capture, 
cell by cell, and victory by victory. Our security is assured by our 
perseverance and by our sure belief in the success of liberty." -- 
George W. Bush




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2003-12-23  5:06               ` Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems Mike Silva
2003-12-23 15:44                 ` Alan Balmer
2003-12-23 19:32                   ` Mike Silva
2003-12-28  8:34                     ` Peter Amey
2003-12-28 15:05                       ` Chris Hills
2003-12-23 20:33                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-23 21:46                     ` Alan Balmer
2003-12-23 22:11                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-24 16:46                 ` Chris Hills
2003-12-24 18:22                   ` Alan Balmer
2003-12-24 20:35                     ` Chris Hills
2003-12-24 20:56                       ` Alan Balmer
2003-12-24 20:14                   ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-24 20:41                     ` Chris Hills
2003-12-24 22:19                       ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-26 10:44                         ` Chris Hills
2003-12-26 21:49                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-26 22:10                             ` Chris Hills
2003-12-26 23:20                               ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-27  5:29                                 ` James Rogers
2003-12-27  6:24                                   ` Jeff C,
2003-12-27  7:50                                     ` James Rogers
2003-12-28  1:00                                       ` CBFalconer
2003-12-28 23:06                                         ` Ian Bell
2003-12-27 15:27                                   ` Ian Bell
2003-12-27 16:47                                     ` Simon Wright
2003-12-27 17:08                                       ` Ian Bell
2003-12-27 21:32                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-28 22:59                                           ` Ian Bell
2003-12-29  2:43                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-29  7:43                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-29 16:16                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-27 16:49                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-27 17:10                                       ` Ian Bell
2003-12-27 19:54                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-27 20:57                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-27 17:34                                       ` Jeff C,
2003-12-27 15:34                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-12-29 17:46                                   ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-29 21:13                                     ` Alex Colvin
2003-12-29 21:50                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-30 16:15                                       ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-30  1:53                                     ` James Rogers
2003-12-29  9:08                                 ` Peter Hermann
2003-12-26 23:47                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-26 16:52                       ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-26 18:42                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-26 23:00                           ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-27 13:26                           ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-28 16:33                             ` Chris Hills
2003-12-29 17:46                               ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-30 10:18                                 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-30 14:48                                   ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-30 17:08                                     ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-30 17:44                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-30 18:28                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-30 22:26                                           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-12-30 21:15                                         ` CBFalconer
2003-12-30 21:30                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-31 10:41                                             ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-06 19:54                                         ` Martin Dowie
2003-12-30 17:59                                       ` Chris Hills
2003-12-30 18:27                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-30 20:07                                         ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-30 18:31                                       ` CBFalconer
2003-12-30 19:20                                       ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-30 21:15                                         ` CBFalconer
2003-12-31  0:03                                           ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-31 14:27                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-05 22:08                                               ` Dave Hansen
2004-01-05 22:36                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-06 13:54                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-06 14:14                                                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-01-06 23:14                                                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-06 23:59                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-07  0:51                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-07 12:24                                                         ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-07 12:56                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-07 13:39                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-07 14:21                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-07 23:35                                                           ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-08  3:32                                                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-08  8:35                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-09  3:47                                                                 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-09  3:59                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-09 22:00                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-10 22:48                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-08 16:46                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-08 17:50                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-09  4:31                                                                 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-09 22:10                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-10  3:44                                                                     ` Alexander Kopilovitch
2004-01-08 14:32                                                             ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-08 16:28                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-09 13:35                                                                 ` In-Out Parameters for functions (was: " Marin David Condic
2004-01-09 22:30                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-09 23:38                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-23 14:01                                                                       ` In-Out Parameters for functions Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-23 19:05                                                                         ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-24 15:21                                                                           ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-24 20:42                                                                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-24 21:57                                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-25 21:02                                                                                 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-26 10:17                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-26 20:19                                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-27  9:22                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-26 14:06                                                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-26 19:00                                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-27 10:24                                                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-26 20:38                                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-27 10:45                                                                                       ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-26 23:12                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-26 23:24                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-26 23:37                                                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-27  2:26                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-27  8:18                                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-27 17:37                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-27 19:05                                                                                               ` David Starner
2004-01-27 19:31                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-27 20:06                                                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-28  9:29                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-28 15:20                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-29  9:08                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-29 15:37                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-29 18:43                                                                                                         ` David Starner
2004-01-29 19:46                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-29 20:23                                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-29 21:36                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 17:39                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 18:14                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 19:32                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-30 20:51                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 23:25                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-31  0:07                                                                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-29 23:52                                                                                                             ` David Starner
2004-01-30  3:02                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-30 16:09                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 16:31                                                                                                                 ` Peter Amey
2004-01-30 19:20                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-02 10:39                                                                                                                     ` Peter Amey
2004-01-31  1:03                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-30  9:53                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-30 17:06                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 17:52                                                                                                                 ` David Starner
2004-01-30 20:28                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-30 21:31                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-01  4:10                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-01 21:05                                                                                                                     ` David Starner
2004-02-01 21:55                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-02  2:20                                                                                                                         ` David Starner
2004-02-02 14:36                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-31  5:27                                                                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-01  4:02                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-03  1:54                                                                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-03  3:07                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-01  2:14                                                                                                                 ` cl1motorsports
2004-02-02  9:31                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-02 14:33                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-02 15:41                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-02 17:01                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-03  8:54                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-03 14:06                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-03 15:32                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-03 16:11                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-03 23:04                                                                                                                                 ` David Starner
2004-02-03 23:38                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04  1:54                                                                                                                                     ` David Starner
2004-02-04 14:54                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04  3:56                                                                                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-05 13:32                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04  7:00                                                                                                                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-04 14:57                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04 15:19                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-04 15:52                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04 16:36                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-04 17:11                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04 19:58                                                                                                                                             ` David Starner
2004-02-04 10:28                                                                                                                                     ` Stuart Palin
2004-02-04 15:07                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04 15:19                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-04 15:54                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-04 16:36                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-04 17:13                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-05 12:11                                                                                                                                         ` Stuart Palin
2004-02-05 13:22                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-05 14:53                                                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-05 15:43                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-06  7:41                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-24  1:27                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-06 10:27                                                                                                                                             ` Stuart Palin
2004-02-24  1:55                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-24  2:16                                                                                                                                                 ` David Starner
2004-02-24 14:51                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-24 23:55                                                                                                                                                     ` David Starner
2004-02-25  0:44                                                                                                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2004-02-25  9:21                                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-27  4:58                                                                                                                                                           ` left-to-right (was In-Out Parameters for functions) Stephen Leake
2004-02-27  9:43                                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-27 14:07                                                                                                                                                               ` Stephen Leake
2004-02-27 15:18                                                                                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-27 17:06                                                                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-27 17:11                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-28 13:22                                                                                                                                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2004-03-01 11:12                                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-27 18:29                                                                                                                                                               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-03-01 11:12                                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-28  0:12                                                                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-28 16:58                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-29 13:44                                                                                                                                                               ` Stephen Leake
2004-02-25  9:33                                                                                                                                                         ` In-Out Parameters for functions David Starner
2004-02-25 14:21                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 14:34                                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-25 15:02                                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 15:43                                                                                                                                                                 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-25 15:53                                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 16:05                                                                                                                                                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-25 16:44                                                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 20:45                                                                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-25 21:33                                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  8:45                                                                                                                                                                             ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-26  8:46                                                                                                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-26 14:41                                                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:44                                                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-26 13:24                                                                                                                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-26 14:33                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-28 17:11                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-26 15:21                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-27  5:21                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2004-02-27  8:55                                                                                                                                                                                   ` David Starner
2004-02-26  9:44                                                                                                                                                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-26 15:24                                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26 17:33                                                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-25 16:34                                                                                                                                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-25 16:45                                                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 18:37                                                                                                                                                                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-26 13:29                                                                                                                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-27  5:24                                                                                                                                                                           ` left-to-right (was In-Out Parameters for functions) Stephen Leake
2004-02-25 16:35                                                                                                                                                                     ` In-Out Parameters for functions Preben Randhol
2004-02-25 16:56                                                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 17:11                                                                                                                                                                         ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-25 17:33                                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 15:44                                                                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-25 16:10                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-25 16:50                                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26 13:41                                                                                                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-26 15:44                                                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-28 17:34                                                                                                                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-29  3:51                                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-29 14:10                                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-29 15:37                                                                                                                                                                               ` Jon S. Anthony
2004-03-01 17:38                                                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-02  3:05                                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-02  7:08                                                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-02  8:48                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-03-02 15:24                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-02 15:42                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-03-02 16:33                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-03-02 22:06                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-02 22:43                                                                                                                                                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2004-03-02 17:12                                                                                                                                                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-02 17:28                                                                                                                                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-03-02 22:09                                                                                                                                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-03-04  0:08                                                                                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-27  5:36                                                                                                                                                                       ` left-to-right (was In-Out Parameters for functions) Stephen Leake
2004-02-27 17:11                                                                                                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-27  5:31                                                                                                                                                                   ` In-Out Parameters for functions Stephen Leake
2004-02-25 12:01                                                                                                                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-25 20:41                                                                                                                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-25 22:05                                                                                                                                                         ` Jim Rogers
2004-02-25 22:19                                                                                                                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:34                                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-26  9:44                                                                                                                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-26 15:48                                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26 17:49                                                                                                                                                                 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-02-26 18:12                                                                                                                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-27  0:55                                                                                                                                                                     ` David Starner
2004-02-27 23:37                                                                                                                                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-26 12:42                                                                                                                                                             ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-02-26 12:47                                                                                                                                                               ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-02-26 15:56                                                                                                                                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26 13:50                                                                                                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-26 16:00                                                                                                                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-28 17:48                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-27  6:00                                                                                                                                                               ` Stephen Leake
2004-02-28 18:18                                                                                                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-24  8:22                                                                                                                                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-24  9:31                                                                                                                                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-04  3:01                                                                                                                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-04  3:26                                                                                                                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-04  9:40                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-27  9:36                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-27 12:45                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-27  1:12                                                                                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-27  9:23                                                                               ` Peter Amey
2004-01-27 17:24                                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-28 10:30                                                                                   ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-28 20:39                                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-28 23:13                                                                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-29  9:20                                                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-29 23:30                                                                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-30  0:23                                                                                           ` In-Out Parameters for functions + object notation Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-30 14:03                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-30 23:39                                                                                           ` In-Out Parameters for functions Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-02  9:38                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-29 12:22                                                                                         ` Wojtek Narczynski
2004-01-29 20:25                                                                                           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-29 11:08                                                                                     ` Peter Amey
     [not found]                                                                             ` <dSgYj40LxF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-01-27  7:34                                                                               ` Stephen Leake
2004-01-23  6:57                                                                   ` In-Out Parameters for functions (was: Re: Certified C compilers for safety-critical embedded systems Dave Thompson
2004-01-09 16:36                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-09 22:55                                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-09  3:49                                                             ` Kenneth Almquist
2004-01-19 21:57                                                       ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-06 12:45                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-06 17:23                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-06 18:33                                                     ` Kelly Hall
2004-01-06 20:45                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-07  1:48                                                         ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-07 14:52                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-08 10:18                                                         ` Scott Moore
2004-01-08 14:52                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-08 18:24                                                           ` Dave Hansen
2004-01-09  7:50                                                             ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-01-09 14:52                                                               ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-10  0:46                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-11  2:49                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-10 12:25                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-10 13:03                                                                   ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-10 15:14                                                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-10 17:49                                                                       ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-11  2:29                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-11 12:50                                                                     ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-01-11 15:15                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-11  2:38                                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-06 18:40                                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-01-06 20:34                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-06 22:18                                                         ` tmoran
2004-01-06 20:43                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-07 21:23                                                     ` Martin Dowie
2004-01-06 13:33                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-08 10:13                                                 ` Scott Moore
2004-01-08 14:53                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-08 15:51                                                     ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-09 16:57                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-09 17:54                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-09 20:16                                                         ` CBFalconer
2004-01-09 20:48                                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-09 22:49                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-09 23:58                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-01-10  6:16                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-10 13:42                                                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-09  5:13                                                     ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-01-10 18:34                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-11  2:43                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-11  3:12                                                     ` tmoran
2004-01-11  7:09                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-11 10:53                                                       ` Leif Roar Moldskred
2004-01-09 10:11                                                         ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-01-11 14:40                                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-01-11 15:16                                                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-01-12  0:59                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-12 12:51                                                       ` Peter Amey
2004-01-11  3:26                                                     ` Hans-Bernhard Broeker
2004-01-11  5:43                                                     ` John R. Strohm
2004-01-11  6:53                                                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-11 13:42                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-01-11 17:18                                                     ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-01-11 18:00                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-11 18:38                                                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-01-12  1:02                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-12  2:13                                                             ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-01-12  4:36                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-12 15:48                                                                 ` Mel Wilson
2004-01-12 16:29                                                                 ` Martin Krischik
2004-01-14  6:50                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-13 13:28                                                                 ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-13 22:18                                                                   ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-14  5:00                                                                     ` David Starner
2004-01-14  7:07                                                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-14  8:36                                                                         ` David Starner
2004-01-14  9:20                                                                           ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-14  8:01                                                                     ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-14 12:48                                                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-14 13:47                                                                         ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-15  1:12                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-01-17  3:58                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-17 20:50                                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-14 16:44                                                                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-14 22:08                                                                           ` David Starner
2004-01-17  4:13                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-14 22:52                                                                           ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-16  5:45                                                                             ` Pat Rogers
2004-01-17  5:19                                                                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-17 15:56                                                                               ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-17 16:09                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-17 21:07                                                                               ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-18  0:20                                                                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-19 22:02                                                                                   ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-14 15:12                                                                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-14 16:32                                                                         ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-15  1:28                                                                           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-16  8:07                                                                             ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-17  2:07                                                                               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-01-17  5:29                                                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-21  8:07                                                                                 ` Aatu Koskensilta
2004-01-21 23:23                                                                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-01-15  5:22                                                                           ` Jeff C,
     [not found]                                                           ` <btsrnj$gld$2@a1-hrz.uni-duis <2GsAAls/KX7Z089yn@the-wire.com>
2004-01-16 20:36                                                             ` Albert van der Horst
2004-01-11 17:44                                                     ` Everett M. Greene
     [not found]                                                     ` <btqo11$8uo@libra <20040111.79C2A20.8BC3@mojaveg.iwvisp.com>
2004-01-11 19:14                                                       ` CBFalconer
     [not found]                                               ` <3ff9df16.3024 <1073487133.232393@master.nyc.kbcfp.com>
2004-01-16 20:13                                                 ` Albert van der Horst
2004-01-18  3:11                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-30 21:35                                         ` Ed Falis
2003-12-31  0:11                                           ` Dave Hansen
2003-12-31 11:02                                             ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-31 13:38                                             ` Ed Falis
2003-12-31 15:22                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-31 22:46                                                 ` Robert A Duff
2003-12-31 23:13                                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-02  2:24                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-02  4:06                                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-01-02 20:47                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2004-01-03  1:47                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2004-01-02 11:49                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-31 16:52                                               ` Alex Colvin
2003-12-29 17:56                               ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-30  1:17                                 ` Morris Dovey
2003-12-30 10:01                                   ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-29 18:40                               ` Frank J. Lhota
2003-12-30 10:04                                 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-27  5:18                         ` Richard Henry
2003-12-30 21:41                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-30 22:17                         ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-30 21:45                       ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-25  2:33                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-26 11:15                       ` Chris Hills
2003-12-26 15:49                         ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-30 18:01                           ` Chris Hills
2003-12-27  1:58                         ` Stephen Leake
2003-12-27 20:17                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28  3:01                             ` Stephen Leake
2003-12-24 22:59                   ` Mike Silva
2003-12-26 14:58                     ` Alan Balmer
2003-12-27 21:33                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-28  2:34                         ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
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2003-12-29  4:14                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2003-12-29 16:41                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-24 23:11                   ` Mike Silva
2003-12-26 11:21                     ` Chris Hills
2003-12-27  0:42                       ` David Emery
2003-12-27 16:15                         ` Chris Hills
2003-12-27 19:10                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2003-12-27 21:17                             ` Chris Hills
2003-12-28  6:14                               ` Mike Silva
2003-12-28 10:15                   ` Peter Amey
2003-12-28 15:46                     ` Chris Hills
2003-12-28 22:59                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-29  1:29                         ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-29  4:34                           ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-29 16:56                             ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-29 18:56                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2003-12-29 11:39                           ` Peter Amey
2003-12-28 15:51                     ` CBFalconer
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