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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: "functional" programming in Ada
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:23:51 +0100
Date: 2018-03-08T09:23:51+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <p7qrun$461$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: p7qb11$hi0$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk

On 08/03/2018 04:34, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Pascal Obry" <pascal@obry.net> wrote in message
> news:1520428274.2488.155.camel@obry.net...
> Le mercredi 07 mars 2018 à 02:52 -0800, Mehdi Saada a écrit :
>>> Why not writing everything in the specs then ? Maybe the original
>>> separation of specs and bodies is a mistake, in the light of recent
>>> tools requirements.
>>
>> The spec is what is exposed to other units.
>>
>> The body is implementation details.
>>
>> The separation is to me one of the most important point in Ada. I think
>> that all languages should have done that. It is an welcomed separation
>> for software engineer.
> 
> Right. And note that the specification has always contained elements which
> are determined at runtime (that is, executed). For instance, even in Ada 83
> you could have a subtype like:
> 
>        subtype Dyn is Natural range 1 .. Some_Function;
> 
> and to properly export Dyn, one has to execute code.

Determined at run-time /= determined in a specific way. Even if 
evaluation of an expression is static, when that expression is an 
implementation, that thing has *nothing* to seek in the specifications. 
Specifications must be only specifications regardless when and how 
evaluated.

> The various contracts (preconditions, postconditions, predicates, etc.) all
> contain some executable code, and it is necessary for callers to be able to
> understand those contracts. Expression functions help in this, while the
> bulk of the implementation should remain in the body.

These are not contracts if have any executable code, and more 
importantly, understanding cannot be achieved by exposing 
implementation/code.

P.S. Contracts exist prior the program (programs, actuall) and surely 
prior to any execution of (any implementation of any programs under the 
contract).

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2018-03-08  8:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-03-06 11:34 "functional" programming in Ada Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-06 13:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-06 14:35   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-06 15:08     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-06 16:00       ` Manuel Collado
2018-03-06 16:37         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-06 22:16           ` Manuel Collado
2018-03-07  8:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-07  4:46         ` Paul Rubin
2018-03-06 13:29 ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-06 14:34   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-06 14:36     ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-06 15:27       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-06 16:26       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-06 20:17       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-07 14:30         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-06 15:01 ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-06 15:25   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-07 10:07 ` Maciej Sobczak
2018-03-07 10:52   ` Mehdi Saada
2018-03-07 13:11     ` Pascal Obry
2018-03-07 13:53       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-07 16:13       ` Dan'l Miller
2018-03-12  0:13         ` Robert I. Eachus
2018-03-08  3:34       ` Randy Brukardt
2018-03-08  8:23         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2018-03-08 22:49           ` G. B.
2018-03-09  8:38             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-09  8:40           ` Simon Wright
2018-03-09 13:39             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2018-03-07 15:03   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-07 15:16     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-07 20:34     ` Robert A Duff
2018-03-07 22:47     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2018-03-08  0:26     ` Shark8
2018-03-08  0:45     ` Paul Rubin
2018-03-08 11:07       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2018-03-08 18:24 ` G. B.
2018-03-09 14:41   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
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