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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?
Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:50:26 +0200
Date: 2009-08-14T15:49:53+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <owb0aenj5xv6.1qrhryqu7bp0i.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 08na85tgfqucfb21lq82fug7b4ctn0astl@4ax.com

On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:50:11 +0100, John McCabe wrote:

> On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:23:49 +0200, "Dmitry A. Kazakov"
> <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
> 
>>On Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:13:49 +0100, John McCabe wrote:
>>
>>> I'll have a look at that. As a matter of interest, a long time ago
>>> there were parallel C compilers for the Transputer. How did the
>>> thread/processors communicate/interact in those languages?
>>
>>That was an operating system called PARIX. The idea was that each processor
>>ran one process communicating with its neighbours over four serial 10Mbaud
>>links. Individual transputers didn't have much memory, normally 4MB. I
>>remember it was possible to have simple LIFO scheduling, so one could have
>>threads, but that was not the "intended" use. I played with an idea to make
>>an Ada (83) compiler for the beast. That never happened. It is close to 20
>>years ago... (:-()
> 
> I did a lot of work on Transputers, but in Occam which made it
> relatively easy for me to understand Ada's tasking when I got taught
> it. We had a C compiler for the T800 from Niche I think, but I don't
> remember anything specific about an OS.

To me it was the opposite, we didn't use Occam, only the C compiler, which
was a torture, because it was a native compiler! You first booted it into a
transputer closest to the host, then feed it with the code over the link,
make yourself a coffee and after a couple of minutes, you could read the
compiled image back...

As for the PARIX, it was rather a monitor than a true OS. It had some
rudimentary support for host communication with marshaling connections over
the transit nodes. I also remember that it had a TCP layer over the links.

----------
I wonder if transputers will make a come back. Arguably a multi-core memory
sharing architecture is a dead end. Transputers had local memory. If they
return as systems with 1000 and more loosely coupled nodes (cores), what
will be a programming of look like? Ada's rendezvous will probably shine
again...

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2009-08-14 13:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-08-11 15:30 C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model? John McCabe
2009-08-11 20:51 ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12 12:25   ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 14:51     ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12 15:56     ` REH
2009-08-12 16:59       ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 17:21         ` REH
2009-08-12 20:41           ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-12 21:15             ` REH
2009-08-13  1:28               ` Randy Brukardt
2009-08-13  2:08                 ` REH
2009-08-13  8:38                   ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-13  8:57                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-13 11:32                       ` Pascal Obry
2009-08-13 12:28                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14  1:15                           ` Brian Drummond
2009-08-14 11:24                           ` Language checks (Was: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2009-08-14 12:01                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 13:33                               ` REH
2009-08-14 13:48                                 ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:51                                   ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:13                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 19:58                                   ` Language checks Robert A Duff
2009-08-15  0:10                             ` Language checks (Was: C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model?) Randy Brukardt
2009-08-14 13:10               ` C++0x and Threads - a poor relation to Ada's tasking model? Gautier write-only
2009-08-14 13:16                 ` REH
2009-08-12 21:24             ` REH
2009-08-13 13:51               ` John McCabe
2009-08-13 16:24                 ` REH
2009-08-14 11:09                   ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 13:00                     ` REH
2009-08-14 14:30                       ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 14:49                         ` REH
2009-08-14 14:54                           ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 15:35                             ` REH
2009-08-14 18:43                               ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-14 18:54                                 ` REH
2009-08-14 22:33                                   ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-15  1:15                                     ` REH
2009-08-15 14:24                                       ` Robert A Duff
2009-08-14 15:09                           ` Hyman Rosen
2009-08-14 15:12                             ` REH
2009-08-13 13:55           ` John McCabe
2009-08-13 16:45             ` REH
2009-08-14 11:14               ` John McCabe
2009-08-12 20:53         ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-11 23:53 ` jimmaureenrogers
2009-08-12  0:06   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2009-08-12  7:26   ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12  5:29     ` stefan-lucks
2009-08-12 15:00       ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-12  9:27     ` Ludovic Brenta
2009-08-12 15:14       ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-13 12:47         ` Peter C. Chapin
2009-08-13 13:57           ` John McCabe
2009-08-14  7:39           ` Maciej Sobczak
2009-08-14 11:13             ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 12:23               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 12:50                 ` John McCabe
2009-08-14 13:50                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2009-08-14 13:58                     ` Niklas Holsti
2009-08-14 14:17                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-08-14 22:25                       ` Brian Drummond
2009-08-14 12:56             ` John McCabe
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