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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2017 10:57:47 +0200
Date: 2017-09-13T10:57:47+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <oparub$1o2t$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 7958612a-2198-4257-8a76-7e2d913f1dad@googlegroups.com

On 13/09/2017 10:13, Egil H H wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2017 at 9:24:56 AM UTC+2, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       X : String (1..1000);
>>>>       Y : String (1..10);
>>>>
>>>
>>> You still can't do
>>> X := Y;
>>
>> Of course I can it is the same type.
> 
> Not without a Constraint_Error being raised...

Which is the desired effect.

>>> so why would you expect Bounded_String to behave that way?
>>
>> Because the contracts of ":=" of fixed- and variable-length strings are
>> different.
>>
>> Fixed-length string assignment cannot change length, as the type name
>> suggests. So the contract is that if the lengths are different
>> Constraint_Error is propagated.
> 
> Exactly my point...

No, you said I cannot assign <=> it would be an illegal program. That is 
wrong. I can. The program is legal, its behavior is defined.

> You can't just do X := Y when the ranges differ,

It is a legal Ada program. It compiles and works as expected.

> and you can't just
> do  X := Y for Bounded_Strings when they are of different types.

This has nothing to do with strings being bounded or not. If an 
operation is not defined on the given combination of types, then it is. 
Calling undefined operations is an illegal program.

>> For bounded-length strings the contract is that the length may not
>> exceed the bound. So the contract is that Constraint_Error to propagate
>> only then.
> 
> Yes, and there are different types depending on the needs of the users.

Non sequitur. The contract of bounded-length string assignment and user 
needs for having types same or different are unrelated issues.

There are plenty examples when the type is same but instances' 
constraints are different. Ada's subtypes and discriminated types are 
all about that.

One can easily find examples for differently constrained instances of 
bounded-length strings:

    Windows_Name : File_Name (MAX_PATH);
    DOS_Name     : File_Name (8 + 1 + 3);

P.S. For further insights see the package Standard with Integer 
*subtypes* Natural and Positive etc.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-13  8:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 228+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-03  5:45 Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language Randy Brukardt
2017-08-03 12:06 ` Lucretia
2017-08-03 12:52   ` Lucretia
2017-08-09 21:08     ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-09 21:12       ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 14:43         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:14           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  1:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  1:24           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  5:54             ` G.B.
2017-08-10  5:41       ` G.B.
2017-08-10 14:41         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:25           ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-10 15:42             ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 15:44             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  0:56           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  1:10           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11 22:43             ` Shark8
2017-08-12  2:40               ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11 14:42           ` Justin Sq
2017-08-11 14:48             ` jsquirek
2017-08-11 17:10               ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11 17:24                 ` Justin Sq
2017-08-11 20:09                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11 21:13                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-18 21:06                       ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-31  0:49                         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-31  7:36                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31  9:52                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 12:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31 13:16                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 14:09                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31 14:41                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 15:45                                     ` Simon Wright
2017-08-31 16:08                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 18:51                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2017-08-31 23:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-01  3:51                                 ` Justin Sq
2017-09-01  7:24                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-01 12:23                                     ` jsquirek
2017-09-03  1:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-18 20:33               ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-19  1:24                 ` Shark8
2017-08-19  8:55                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-19 16:38                     ` Shark8
2017-08-19 17:09                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-22  6:02                         ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-22  7:34                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-26  4:41                             ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-26  6:29                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-26  7:16                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-26  7:48                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-27 12:03                                     ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-27 12:35                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-27 14:44                                         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-08-27 16:32                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-19  8:47                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-10 12:18       ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-10 12:40         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:17           ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-11  8:33         ` AdaMagica
2017-08-10 16:28       ` Pascal Obry
2017-08-10 16:52         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-10 17:08           ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 17:25             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  1:02               ` Lucretia
2017-08-11  6:08                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11 20:51                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-10 17:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11  1:31           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  6:24             ` G.B.
2017-08-11  7:57               ` Stefan.Lucks
2017-08-11  8:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  8:53                   ` Stefan.Lucks
2017-08-11  9:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  9:22                   ` AdaMagica
2017-08-12 18:29                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-29 16:01               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-08-09 15:24 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-08-09 17:23   ` Shark8
2017-08-09 18:49     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31  6:59   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-28 23:49 ` faryumg
2017-08-29  8:17   ` Simon Wright
2017-08-31 13:35   ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-02 10:49   ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-02 11:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-02 11:21     ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-02 15:22       ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-02 17:19       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-04 20:52         ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-03  1:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-06 15:02         ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-06 15:57           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-09-06 18:56             ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-06 21:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 21:04             ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-08 21:46               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-08 23:55                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-16 12:49                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-16 13:10                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-17 11:05                     ` AdaMagica
2017-09-17 12:51                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-08 22:13               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-10 21:09                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
     [not found]                 ` <9d4274d7-5ad1-42d0-8ec3-de822e28ec6c@googlegroups.com>
2017-10-02 19:01                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 23:07               ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-09 20:35                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-10-02 18:57                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-09 14:48           ` G.B.
2017-09-03  1:35       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-03 10:32         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-03 12:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-05 22:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-05 22:29           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-02 16:49     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-03 10:34       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-02 17:08     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-06 16:38       ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-06 20:52         ` Egil H H
2017-09-06 21:30         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 15:49         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-03  1:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-06  6:15   ` Shark8
2017-09-01 14:11 ` Björn Lundin
2017-09-01 14:47   ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-01 16:02     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-01 17:53   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-09-01 18:06     ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-01 19:02     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-03  1:22   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-11 18:49 ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-11 19:33   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  6:18     ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  6:38       ` gautier_niouzes
2017-09-12  7:02         ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  7:15           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  7:35             ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12  9:23             ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-12 10:07               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:30                 ` Shark8
2017-09-12 16:58                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 19:30                 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-12 19:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 10:44           ` gautier_niouzes
2017-09-12  6:39       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12  7:02         ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  7:42           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12  8:24             ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  8:35             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  9:21               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 10:22                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 10:48                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 12:09                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 12:56                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 13:14                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 13:25                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 13:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 14:07                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 15:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 14:36                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 15:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:15                                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 16:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:47                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 16:59                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 17:03                                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 17:17                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 17:29                                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 19:14                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 19:58                                                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-13  7:24                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-13  8:13                                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-13  8:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2017-09-13  9:00                                                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 18:55                                       ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12 17:43                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-13 13:07                                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-13 16:34                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-13 18:34                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-13 19:41                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-14 12:30                                       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-14 13:36                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-14 18:08                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 19:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-12 14:55                           ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12 16:04                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 19:51                           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-03  7:48                             ` Simon Wright
2017-10-03  9:34                               ` G.B.
2017-10-03 10:11                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-03 13:25                                   ` G.B.
2017-10-03 13:56                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-03 20:24                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-03 20:20                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-02 19:45                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-12 17:41       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-12 21:04   ` G.B.
2017-09-13  7:30     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-13 17:39       ` G.B.
2017-09-13 19:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-14  6:57           ` G.B.
2017-09-14  7:33             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 10:06 ` reinert
2017-10-02 13:54   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 14:56     ` reinert
2017-10-02 14:56   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-10-02 15:02   ` G.B.
2017-10-02 16:23     ` reinert
2017-10-02 16:38       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 17:19         ` reinert
2017-10-02 17:39           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 19:10       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 19:14       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-03  3:30         ` reinert
2017-10-03  6:36           ` G.B.
2017-10-04 19:21             ` reinert
2017-10-04 19:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-04 21:45               ` G.B.
2017-10-04 22:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-05  6:50                   ` G.B.
2017-10-05  7:21                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-04 12:38 ` Daniel Norte Moraes
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