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From: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain
Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 12:57:48 +0200
Date: 2012-10-20T12:57:48+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.wmg4qm1nule2fv@cardamome> (raw)
In-Reply-To: k5sk7b$5ja$2@dont-email.me

Le Sat, 20 Oct 2012 00:28:59 +0200, Brian Drummond  
<brian@shapes.demon.co.uk> a écrit:
> One point that occurs while writing this : a lot of Ada textbooks
> approach Ada purely from a top down design model, that looks highly
> formal and very dated to either a hobbyist, or someone schooled in agile
> programming, refactoring, and so on.

It's already good at refactoring. And to me, agile is quasi‑permanent  
refactoring. This may not appears in course presenting top‑down approach,  
but that's not that hard to guess error checking is an aid for refactoring  
and agile. There's no need for a big book, just tell “remember the tones  
of stupid or vicious errors you had to fix during days of testing after  
you moved that from here to there? Ada would had caught near to all the  
error in in a second.”. When testing is so many time used to workaround  
the lack of type checking (should really be a fundamental basis to  
everyone) and proper dependency declaration between modules, …. You see,  
it needs just two sentences.

-- 
“Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.” [1]
“Structured Programming supports the law of the excluded muddle.” [1]
[1]: Epigrams on Programming — Alan J. — P. Yale University



  reply	other threads:[~2012-10-28  2:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-10-07 17:34 Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Patrick
2012-10-07 18:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-07 22:35   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08  7:35     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:10       ` The Ada community's attitude, was: " Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:20     ` pavel.klinkovsky
2012-10-12 12:09     ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:47       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:59         ` Lucretia
2012-10-16 20:05           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-16 20:10             ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 14:14             ` Lucretia
2012-10-18 17:05               ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 13:28       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11  4:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-07 18:49 ` Shark8
2012-10-07 20:21   ` Patrick
2012-10-08  7:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 11:28       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 12:49         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 12:40       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 13:00         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 13:57           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 14:02             ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:53             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-08 20:27             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-08 14:00           ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 14:22             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 14:30               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-08 16:12                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 16:54                   ` Patrick
2012-10-08 18:22                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 18:29                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 19:27                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 20:44                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:59                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 12:16                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:06                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-09 16:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-18 21:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19 11:23                               ` Mark Lorenzen
2012-10-19 14:09                               ` Patrick
2012-10-19 14:47                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 14:56                                   ` Patrick
2012-10-19 15:04                                     ` Vinzent Höfler
2012-10-19 17:30                                     ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-19 18:07                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 19:05                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-10-19 19:14                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 18:24                                     ` Anh Vo
2012-10-19 18:40                                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-10-19 21:44                                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-19 22:28                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-20 10:57                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) [this message]
2012-10-20 23:08                                         ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-19 15:38                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-19 22:08                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24  9:56                               ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 11:21                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-24 13:13                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-24 16:16                                     ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:27                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 16:41                                         ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 16:57                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-24 17:36                                             ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-24 17:55                                             ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-24 21:17                                           ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-24 22:08                                             ` Paul Rubin
     [not found]                                               ` <4dqg885bcf05isnup07a28jrq8lbq5fknd@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-24 22:31                                                 ` Paul Rubin
2012-10-25  8:42                                               ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-29 14:51                                   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 23:04                           ` Patrick
2012-10-08 23:07                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  8:35                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-08 21:28                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-08 23:58                           ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:59                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  8:02                             ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09  8:06                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10  5:56                               ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-10  6:48                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  7:06                                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2012-10-10  8:17                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-12 12:27                               ` Lucretia
2012-10-12 12:45                                 ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-12 12:58                                   ` Lucretia
2012-10-09  8:10                             ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-10 15:26                               ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-08  9:36                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-08 13:52                                 ` Rego, P.
2012-11-08 21:50                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-09  1:24                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-11-09 10:16                                   ` Brian Drummond
2012-11-10  8:05                                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]                                       ` <ulat9855qcom15kt7lk68rsidf44uau4q5@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-11-15  1:21                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-12-17 16:33                                 ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-17 17:57                                   ` Shark8
2012-12-25  9:29                                   ` Paul Rubin
2012-12-26 10:38                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-12-25 10:11                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-12-26 10:40                                     ` Brian Drummond
2012-10-08 19:17                       ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:16                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09  9:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09  9:57                           ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 12:31                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:51                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 13:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:04                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-09 13:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 15:53                               ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 17:08                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 18:26                                   ` kalvin.news
2012-10-09 20:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 23:23                                   ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10  7:36                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-10 13:13                                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 13:45                                         ` kalvin.news
2012-10-10 15:44                                         ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 17:52                                           ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-10 15:40                                       ` Rego, P.
2012-10-10 16:09                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11  9:41                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 12:01                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-09 12:29                           ` Vinzent Hoefler
2012-10-09 12:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
     [not found]                           ` <hok878l1k7s5i37k8uejv91t82ad41pipg@invalid.netcom.com>
2012-10-09 17:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 15:44                           ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 16:20                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:55                               ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 20:29                       ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-08 20:49                         ` Simon Clubley
2012-10-11 15:22                       ` mjsilva
2012-10-11 15:52                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-11 16:00                           ` Patrick
2012-10-11 16:31                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-10-11 16:52                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-16 20:15                         ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-18 22:33                         ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-18 22:52                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:14                             ` Randy Brukardt
2012-10-19  0:46                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2012-10-18 23:58                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-19 22:49                           ` Tero Koskinen
2012-10-22 14:25                           ` mjsilva
     [not found]                             ` <be26881c-6662-4830-b86f-34a7d8b25bf4@googlegroups.com>
2012-10-22 15:04                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2012-10-16 20:08                       ` phone.john.kern
2012-10-08 18:34                     ` Simon Wright
2012-10-08 18:57                       ` Patrick
2012-10-08 20:13             ` Rego, P.
2012-10-07 20:33 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-11 16:22   ` mjsilva
2012-10-08 12:02 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-08 20:48   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-09  3:03 ` Stephen Leake
2012-10-09  3:24   ` Patrick
2012-10-09  5:44     ` Niklas Holsti
2012-10-10  5:52     ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-08  8:07       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-11-09 12:29         ` Stephen Leake
2012-11-09 12:56           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-11-20 21:25         ` Tero Koskinen
2012-11-20 22:15           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-11-21 16:18           ` Lucretia
2012-10-10 11:04 ` kalvin.news
2012-10-11 17:44 ` mjsilva
2012-10-16 20:13   ` phone.john.kern
2012-11-07 14:02 ` Kristoffer Nyborg Gregertsen
2013-01-02  7:01 ` Diogenes
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