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From: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Why no socket package in the standard ?
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 02:34:16 +0200
Date: 2011-05-25T02:34:16+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.vv0g7eybule2fv@douda-yannick> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4ddc451a$0$6546$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net

Le Wed, 25 May 2011 01:54:02 +0200, Georg Bauhaus  
<rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> a écrit:
> An abstraction like "network data communication" which
> would be similar to Sequential File. Whichever way the
> latter happens to be available in the external environment,
> you can open the file, read or write items, close it,
> etc.
IPC have unavoidable properties, which are as real as physics is, and  
which cannot be expressed in terms of file access. File access is somewhat  
pure and simpler than IPC, and is just a particular case of IPC, which  
(the latter) is wider.

> http://www.unicode.org/history/earlyyears.html
>
> Specifically, you can see how requirements were weighed
> and how the process didn't just revolve around just one
> precendent.
Will read this later (I interested in Unicode since very long). Any way,  
Unicode code points still match ISO 8859-1 (which does not require  
mapping).

> "But all of a sudden, we could see the light go on in both
> of our faces: we had assumed that the standard ABC was a XYZ
> standard. We were so, so wrong. You needed WYZX to represent
> even the most common N. Worse yet, some P could be both G
> and H. We weren't in Kansas anymore!"
Oops, will have to read this again and again before I am sure I've  
understood (where does this quote originates ? a novel ?).

> I'm guessing that the same is going to happen if the  Ada
> standard were to quickly adopt BSD Sockets.
Stooooop.

I agreed for a better abstraction multiple since your last replies ;)

>>> - it seems completely sufficient to agree, outside the standard,
>>> on an API that can be used with any Ada compiler. No
>>> standardization is needed at all.
>> OK. Let say it is not required, so "not" may be an option.
>
> Because a language standard is about things more general
> than a specific networking library.
You said this after you though I wanted BSD sockets, strictly. But that is  
not, I want, not BSD sockets, but the functionalities BSD sockets  
provides. And these are not available through the file nor the stream  
interface of actual Ada.


-- 
Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour  
les chiens.
“ c++; /* this makes c bigger but returns the old value */ ” [Anonymous]



  reply	other threads:[~2011-05-25  0:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-05-24  1:22 Why no socket package in the standard ? Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  1:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:11   ` tmoran
2011-05-24 17:23     ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-24 19:10     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 15:12     ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 18:43       ` Tero Koskinen
2011-05-25 19:08         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  6:24 ` georg bauhaus
2011-05-24  7:07   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-24  7:19     ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24  7:35       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 10:00       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 12:53         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 14:28           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 14:59             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 16:07               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 19:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:53                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:21                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 11:25                   ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-24 16:10               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 19:36                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  0:57               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  0:32               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:49                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:55                 ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  8:38                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  8:05                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25  7:52               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:38         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:54           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 20:10             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 21:57               ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 22:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:34                   ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-24 23:40                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-24 23:50                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:35                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  3:07                     ` Shark8
2011-05-25  4:01                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  7:39                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  7:42                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 10:46                           ` Manuel Collado
2011-05-25 10:44                         ` Peter C. Chapin
2011-05-25 15:28                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25 16:36                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25 16:46                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 12:10                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 12:42                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 14:36                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 15:56                                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 18:20                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-26 18:29                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 20:46                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:02                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 21:44                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-26 21:59                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  7:54                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-27 13:12                                           ` Simon Wright
2011-05-27 15:43                                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 18:31                                     ` Vinzent Hoefler
2011-05-26 19:05                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-26 19:14                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-26 19:44                                         ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27  2:02                                       ` anon
2011-05-27 11:44                                     ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-26 14:50                               ` Adam Beneschan
2011-05-26 15:57                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 11:46                                   ` Stephen Leake
2011-05-27 12:21                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 12:49                                       ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc (was: Why no socket package in the standard ?) Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-27 13:10                                         ` Make, Automake, Configure, Autocong, GPRbuild etc Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-27 15:45                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  7:40                       ` Why no socket package in the standard ? Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25 10:48                         ` Pascal Obry
2011-05-25  7:49                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2011-05-25  2:47             ` Shark8
2011-05-25  9:12             ` Thomas Løcke
2011-05-24 21:42           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:09           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:25             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:06             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 23:11           ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 23:28             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:57               ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:36                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24  7:25     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 21:22       ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25  9:14         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-25 11:54           ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-05-25 12:26             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 22:04       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-25  9:19         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-05-24 19:17   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 19:30     ` J-P. Rosen
2011-05-24 19:49       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 22:39     ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-24 22:54       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 23:54         ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-05-25  0:34           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) [this message]
2011-05-25  1:20             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 12:38 ` AdaMagica
2011-05-24 15:00   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-05-24 18:29 ` anon
2011-05-24 19:08   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2011-06-02  2:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-02 13:55   ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 20:38     ` anon
2011-06-02 20:44       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-02 21:18       ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-04 21:35         ` anon
2011-06-05  8:39           ` J-P. Rosen
2011-06-07  1:50             ` anon
2011-06-02 21:34     ` Randy Brukardt
2011-06-05 11:06       ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 13:45         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-05 14:51           ` Florian Weimer
2011-06-05 15:30             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-06-07  2:49             ` Randy Brukardt
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