From: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#?
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:30:56 +0200
Date: 2010-10-31T01:30:56+02:00 [thread overview]
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In-Reply-To: iai8j8$q8l$1@tornado.tornevall.net
Le Sun, 31 Oct 2010 01:02:12 +0200, Jeffrey Carter
<spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org> a écrit:
> Nor is dispatching all of programming by extension in Ada.
>
> More important is the effect of having features that violate a stated
> design goal of the language and are the source of massive
> misunderstanding (evidenced by the numerous posts here by people trying
> to use the features but not understanding them).
These miss-understandings may be more caused by the attempt to map a
language onto another (someone coming from A to B, who try to do A with
B), than caused by the language, as tutorials and books about learning the
language (Ada) does not really push to these miss-understandings (just
think about JP. Rosen frequently talking about HOOD, even when he does not
name it). Ada on-line books are more oriented towards safe practices. When
tagged type are push onto the front, this is just as a reply to people
convinced Ada does not support it (the supposed audience, is people who
know what there are looking for and what they do).
A good suggestion may be not to suppose one know something because this
look-like what he/she already know in another context, and push people to
learn as if this was something really new to be discovered (I have revised
many of my understandings since Ada).
If one use dispatching because he/she use derived classes all over the
place, this is not because Ada provides tagged type, better probably
because he/she came from a place where this is a common practice (like
Java, which seems to me very derived-class oriented… but I may be wrong,
as I am not so much aware of Java).
But if he/she is to use references to functions or procedures and
determines that this may better be done using a tagged type, because this
will come with the ability to provide a procedure associated to an object
instead of associated to a package, then, why not ? (just an example).
Ada is just multi-paradigm, as underlined from time to time. These
features does not break the language design (so don't violate its original
design goals) so much, as, as an example, I feel nothing has suffered from
the introduction of tagged types in Ada 95 (at least, I don't feel so).
--
Si les chats miaulent et font autant de vocalises bizarres, c’est pas pour
les chiens.
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2010-10-29 2:27 Do people who use Ada also use ocaml or F#? Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-29 2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 1:32 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 2:22 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 3:44 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 12:15 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 12:14 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:46 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 13:59 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 14:12 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-10-30 18:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-10-30 23:11 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 15:13 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-29 7:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 17:10 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-29 19:10 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-29 22:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 0:01 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-30 2:07 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 23:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:30 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) [this message]
2010-10-31 2:31 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 2:58 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 10:57 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 16:58 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-11-01 17:46 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-01 17:03 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-11-03 13:30 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-11-03 19:16 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 7:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 23:08 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 23:15 ` Vinzent Hoefler
2010-10-31 2:36 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 3:01 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 4:52 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 5:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 7:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 8:03 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 8:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 11:00 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 11:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 12:51 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-10-31 15:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 15:32 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 20:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 20:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 18:23 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-31 18:02 ` Jeffrey Carter
2010-10-30 2:07 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 2:29 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 3:55 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-10-30 7:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 12:18 ` Florian Weimer
2010-10-30 12:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 19:12 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 19:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 20:04 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-30 20:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-30 21:53 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 8:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-10-31 9:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-10-31 21:46 ` Shark8
2010-11-01 9:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-01 10:17 ` Florian Weimer
2010-11-05 12:46 ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-05 16:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 17:22 ` Stephen Leake
2010-11-06 20:56 ` Robert A Duff
2010-11-06 23:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-06 23:41 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 0:18 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-11-07 11:51 ` Simon Wright
2010-11-07 12:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-11-07 3:05 ` Chad R. Meiners
2010-11-01 11:44 ` Brian Drummond
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