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From: Wilson <leon.winslow@notes.udayton.edu>
To: "Richard Harter" <cri@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 17:05:09 -0400
Date: 2010-06-07T17:05:09-04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.vdx7iv1oanduac@home-2l5xxxt7p3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4c0d0e37.1190067109@text.giganews.com

On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:24:00 -0400, Richard Harter <cri@tiac.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:40:07 -0400, Peter Flass
> <Peter_Flass@Yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> robin wrote:
>>> "Martin Krischik" <krischik@users.sourceforge.net> wrote in message  
>>> news:op.vdv17504z25lew@macpro-eth1.krischik.com...
>>> | Am 06.06.2010, 17:19 Uhr, schrieb J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet@cox.net>:
>>> |
>>> | > On 6/6/2010 12:25 AM, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz wrote:
>>> |
>>> | > What do you believe to be the difference between machine code and
>>> | > assembler?
>>> |
>>> | 6502 Assembler:
>>> |
>>> | LDA #10
>>> |
>>> | 6502 Machine code:
>>> |
>>> | A9 10
>>> |
>>> | Any more silly questions?
>>>
>>> That assembler was of a much later period than the one under  
>>> discussion,
>>> namely, the 1940s-1950s.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you want to talk *really* old assemblers, look at SOAP.  The hardware
>> had no core, only drum memory, and each H/W instruction contained the
>> drum address of the next instruction to be executed.  A big function of
>> the assembler was figuring out where to store the instructions on the
>> drum so that the next instruction was under the R/W head just as the
>> previous finished executing -- based on the instruction timings.  Try
>> doing that by hand for a large program!
>
> It must be time to recall the story of Mel.  I've got a copy on
> my website at http://home.tiac.net/~cri/2001/mel.html though I am
> sure that there must be other copies on the web.
>
>
>
> Richard Harter, cri@tiac.net
> http://home.tiac.net/~cri, http://www.varinoma.com
> Reality is real; words are real too.
> However words are not reality.


Loved your story of Mel.  I worked with a couple of people like that.  We  
called them "bit diddlers" because "real programmers" always worked with  
bits.  None of fancy, dancy oct or hex stuff.

Unfortunantly, like you I had to upgrade one or two of their programs.   
Even worse, at one time I belonged to their fraternity.  It was mentally  
chalanging either way, and a great game to see how good you were.   In  
other words, fun while it lasted.  The arrival of Fortran and Cobol put an  
end to the era of the bit diddler, although they made a small comeback  
with the advent of the first microporcessors.  (Now that I think about it,  
I'll bet that somewhere there is a bit diddler trying to shoehorn a big  
program into the small memmory of some kind of control computer.)
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Thread overview: 195+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-04-04  4:46 Why is Ada considered "too specialized" for scientific use Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-04  5:30 ` J-P. Rosen
2010-04-06 15:04   ` Adam Beneschan
2010-04-04  7:10 ` Pascal Obry
2010-04-04 18:24 ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-06  9:52   ` Peter Hermann
2010-04-07 20:08   ` Denis McMahon
2010-04-04 20:53 ` Andrea Taverna
2010-04-13 20:31   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-14 16:00     ` Charles H. Sampson
2010-04-14 19:18       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-04-04 23:41 ` Jerry
2010-04-05  0:29   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05  9:09 ` mockturtle
2010-04-05 11:20   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-05 11:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-05 16:44   ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-06 14:03     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-06 16:39       ` Warren
2010-04-06 17:53         ` Sebastian Hanigk
2010-04-06 20:45           ` Warren
2010-04-07  9:17           ` MRE
2010-04-08 10:10           ` Ken Thomas
2010-04-08 16:40             ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:34               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08 20:13                 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-06 19:53       ` J. Clarke
2010-04-06 21:37         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  4:25           ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  6:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 12:53               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07 16:19                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07 17:05             ` Keith Thompson
2010-04-07 19:41               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-07  2:03       ` BrianG
2010-04-07  9:08         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-08  0:20           ` BrianG
2010-04-08  2:29             ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-08  7:04             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-14 21:34     ` Florian Weimer
2010-04-05 20:51   ` none
2010-04-06  1:18     ` robin
2010-04-06 12:00       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-06 15:30         ` robin
2010-04-06 23:44           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:32             ` robin
2010-04-14 12:12               ` J. Clarke
2010-04-14 15:20                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-15  4:15                   ` J. Clarke
2010-04-15 10:04               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-15 15:10                 ` robin
2010-04-15 22:06                   ` Nomen Nescio
2010-04-16  0:02                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-17  8:43                     ` robin
2010-04-18 17:15                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22  1:39                         ` robin
2010-04-22  9:59                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-22 12:49                             ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-22 13:20                             ` robin
2010-05-14 10:50                 ` robin
2010-05-16  1:23                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17  9:23                     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:05                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-05-17 10:09                         ` robin
2010-05-17 15:57                         ` robin
2010-05-19 14:55                           ` Richard Harter
2010-04-07 19:27           ` Simon Wright
2010-04-08  2:01             ` robin
2010-04-08 15:27             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-14  9:27               ` robin
2010-04-15 10:02                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-23  7:29                   ` robin
2010-04-23 16:14                     ` J. Clarke
2010-04-23 21:51                       ` Peter Flass
2010-04-23 23:25                         ` Sjouke Burry
2010-04-24  0:18                           ` Gary L. Scott
2010-04-24  1:05                             ` Richard Maine
2010-04-24  0:23                           ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-04-24  0:30                           ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-04-26 15:28                             ` Warren
2010-04-25  2:43                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-16 11:04               ` sjw
2010-04-18 17:26                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-05 10:58                 ` robin
2010-06-06  4:25                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 14:53                     ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-06 15:15                       ` J. Clarke
     [not found]                         ` <4c0cbc04$2$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-07 13:23                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 18:50                             ` George Orwell
2010-06-08  1:21                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:26                         ` Peter Hermann
2010-06-06 17:10                       ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-06 19:17                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-08  6:27                           ` James J. Weinkam
2010-06-08  7:13                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08 10:43                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:23                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 12:03                             ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-07  9:39                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:16                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 18:33                       ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-06 15:12                     ` robin
2010-06-07  9:45                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:10                         ` robin
2010-06-09 10:48                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 23:59                             ` robin
2010-06-10 10:06                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:52                                 ` robin
2010-06-10 13:49                                   ` Richard Harter
2010-06-06 15:19                     ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 16:51                       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 17:51                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  9:38                         ` robin
2010-06-08 10:07                           ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-10 10:54                             ` robin
2010-06-07  9:41                         ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-06 17:15                       ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 19:12                         ` J. Clarke
2010-06-06 20:39                           ` John B. Matthews
2010-06-07  0:17                             ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  6:02                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 23:01                         ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07  0:18                           ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07  5:34                             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  9:48                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 10:36                               ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 16:18                                 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-06-07 22:03                                   ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:00                                     ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08  1:16                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  5:31                           ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  6:15                         ` robin
2010-06-07 10:40                           ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 12:35                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 13:29                               ` J. Clarke
2010-06-07 21:04                                 ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-07 21:56                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-07 22:06                                   ` glen herrmannsfeldt
2010-06-08 10:11                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 10:01                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08 11:16                                   ` robin
2010-06-08  1:22                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:35                               ` robin
2010-06-07 14:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:07                               ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 15:08                               ` Dick Hendrickson
2010-06-07 15:23                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-07 15:34                                   ` (see below)
2010-06-08  9:57                                     ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 21:57                                 ` Peter Flass
2010-06-08 10:02                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-08  9:53                                 ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:54                                   ` robin
2010-06-08 11:23                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 10:50                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:47                                     ` robin
     [not found]                                       ` <4c0fa318$1$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-09 23:54                                         ` robin
2010-06-10 10:48                                           ` Non scrivetemi
2010-06-10 15:12                                             ` robin
     [not found]                                           ` <4c10b858$4$fuzhry+tra$mr2ice@news.patriot.net>
2010-06-10 10:59                                             ` robin
2010-06-07 12:50                             ` Robert AH Prins
2010-06-07 14:22                             ` Arthur Evans Jr
2010-06-07 21:07                               ` Gib Bogle
2010-06-08  9:54                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 14:30                             ` robin
2010-06-08 10:14                               ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-09 13:58                                 ` robin
2010-06-09 14:23                                   ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07 15:24                             ` Richard Harter
2010-06-07 21:05                               ` Wilson [this message]
2010-06-08  1:18                             ` Shmuel Metz
2010-06-07  9:32                       ` Shmuel Metz
2010-04-25 16:32       ` robin
2010-05-14 10:54     ` robin
2010-04-13 20:18   ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-14 11:53     ` robin
2010-05-17 10:26       ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-05-17 13:36         ` Dan Nagle
2010-04-05 17:33 ` Charmed Snark
2010-04-05 19:24   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-05 20:28     ` Warren
2010-04-08 18:30       ` Alex Mentis
2010-04-06  0:38     ` Robert A Duff
2010-04-06  8:07       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-06 21:55         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-04-07  2:52           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2010-04-07 20:07             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-04-07  7:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07  8:24           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 11:59             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-07 13:44               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-07 20:21                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-04-08 11:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-04-08 13:40 ` Vincent LAFAGE
2010-04-08 16:29   ` Georg Bauhaus
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