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From: "Martin Krischik" <krischik@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: Ada requires too much typing!
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 10:06:29 +0200
Date: 2010-06-06T10:06:29+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.vdvcs3b5z25lew@macpro-eth1.krischik.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: htnk3r02s27@drn.newsguy.com

Am 28.05.2010, 07:25 Uhr, schrieb Luis Espinal <Luis_member@newsguy.com>:

> I don't think that is much of an issue. Mutability is. This is a big  
> issue for
> Java as it has turned out. The commonly accepted best practice now is to  
> mark
> variables and parameters as final unless you know before hand that you  
> want to
> change them.

Which only makes the reference to the variable un-mutable, not the  
content. That combined with language which can do only pass by reference  
for all complex types and a Clonable interface which was badly sorted out  
gives you a language where the protection a getter function should give  
you is just not there - unless you make it a habit to use «return x.clone  
()» [1].

And if we are at it - setter functions should use «this.x = x.clone ()».  
Those who did Ada or C++ know that. In Ada setter and getter functions  
usually take a copy and in C++ setter and getter functions take a  
reference to a constant object. That is: not the reference is constant -  
the object itself is constant (un-mutable).

As it is most setter and getter functions in Java are placebos - they give  
you you the feeling to do it the proper OO way but you are don't!

Martin

[1] provided the class at hand implements the Clonable interface property  
and does indeed do full deep copy.
-- 
Martin Krischik
mailto://krischik@users.sourceforge.net
https://sourceforge.net/users/krischik



  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-06-06  8:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-28  5:25 Ada requires too much typing! Luis Espinal
2010-05-28  6:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-28 15:52   ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-28 17:31     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28 19:05       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 19:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-28  9:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-28 10:10 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-01 21:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 11:08     ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-05 19:58       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-02 13:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-05 20:13       ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-06  4:25         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-06  8:55     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06 10:13       ` Simon Wright
2010-06-06 11:03         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-06 12:04         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:34           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  9:25             ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07 12:04               ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-07 12:17               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07 12:26                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-07 15:00                 ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:46                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-08  8:53                     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-09  7:50                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  8:10                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09  8:43                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09  9:24                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 13:54                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 14:29                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 15:02                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-09 15:53                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 18:00                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 19:10                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:09                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:07                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:44                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  9:07                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 10:10                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 10:28                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 21:22                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-09 23:09                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  8:15                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10 13:37                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 13:57                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 14:31                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-09 15:57                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-09 17:51                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  6:13                         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:19                           ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10 21:59                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-10  6:34                           ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  6:54                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10  7:36                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  8:21                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10  9:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-06-10  8:51                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-10 22:08                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:13                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:20                             ` AdaMagica
2010-06-10  8:57                               ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 10:12                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:47                                   ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:18                                   ` Vadim Godunko
2010-06-10 22:08                                   ` Gautier write-only
2010-06-10 22:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11 18:38                                     ` Simon Wright
2010-06-29  2:13                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-11  9:14                                   ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-11 18:03                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-06-11  9:11                             ` Stephen Leake
2010-06-10  7:21                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-10 19:33                             ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 22:23                             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-06-07  8:13       ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-06-07  8:35         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-07  8:43         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-06  8:06 ` Martin Krischik [this message]
2010-06-07 18:30   ` Luis Espinal
2010-06-08  6:43     ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-08  7:10       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-08  9:00         ` Martin Krischik
2010-06-10 13:56           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 14:29             ` J-P. Rosen
2010-06-11 11:57               ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-08 10:10       ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-08 11:35         ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-10 13:58           ` Alex R. Mosteo
2010-06-10 19:45           ` Simon Wright
2010-06-10 20:09             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-06-10 18:21         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2010-05-26 12:57 Peter C. Chapin
2010-05-26 13:29 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 15:56   ` Peter Hermann
2010-05-26 16:12     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-26 18:57   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-26 19:30   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 14:48 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-27 17:10   ` Warren
2010-05-27 22:15     ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-28 15:26       ` Warren
2010-05-30  0:49   ` BrianG
2010-05-30  7:27     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-30  9:17       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-30  9:51         ` Simon Wright
2010-06-02  1:42           ` BrianG
2010-05-26 15:23 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-26 17:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-26 19:33   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 21:55     ` Simon Wright
2010-05-26 23:36     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-27  2:07 ` Fritz Wuehler
2010-05-27  4:19   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 19:51   ` Warren
2010-06-03 16:54 ` Colin Paul Gloster
2010-06-03 16:09   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03 16:11     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 11:40       ` Nicolas Cóilin Paul de Gloucester
2010-06-04 13:54         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-06-04 11:29     ` Nicholas Collin Paul de Gloucester
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