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From: "Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)" <yannick_duchene@yahoo.fr>
Subject: Re: GNAT packages in Linux distributions
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:06:31 +0200
Date: 2010-05-11T20:06:31+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <op.vcjy85l9ule2fv@garhos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4be99568$0$2950$ba4acef3@reader.news.orange.fr

Le Tue, 11 May 2010 19:35:43 +0200, Pascal Obry <pascal@obry.net> a écrit:
> Eiffel in contrast is far more easier to program, but well the
> constraints (pre/post conditions, invariants) are only checked at
> runtime. Problems will be found when this part of the code is run.
>
> I cannot say I prefer one or the other. I've stopped programming in
> Eiffel long time ago now. Both are targeting different level of safety
> and security to me.
>
> I can say that my second best/preferred language is Eiffel. It is a
> clean language, well designed that encourage good programming.
>
> Pascal.
I remember I had the idea to leave Eiffel for one main first reason : its  
lack in the basic types area. The set of basic type was (I say “was”, as I  
don't know if the Eiffel ISO standard has evolved since) too much  
restricted and there was no way to create proper new ones. There was a  
good reason to that : Eiffel is far from low level ; it is unlikely you  
will be able to conceive a device driver with Eiffel.

I'm not pointing that to say Eiffel is not nice because of that exact  
point ; this is just a matter of requirement.

That said, as long as there are some fault tolerance and as long as low  
level is not involved, it is a nice one, which as you said, may give you  
some good ideas and good inspirations ;) Further more, there was a plan  
 from Bertrand Meyer (do not have the reference any more, sorry) to promote  
Eiffel as a language for the web platform (I mean client side, that is,  
browsers). If this would have been a success, we may actually have Eiffel  
instead of JavaScript for web applications.

Eiffel would have been well suited to this area : semantic favorable to  
interpretation and execution of remote stuff (no pointers to method, just  
references, which can mean Anything on the other side), clean enough,  
*accessible enough*, promoting some good though for peoples willing to  
receive these.


-- 
pragma Asset ? Is that true ? Waaww... great



  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-11 18:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-09 17:40 GNAT packages in Linux distributions Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-09 18:16 ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-09 19:36   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-09 21:26     ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-09 21:34       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10  1:20         ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-10  1:26           ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-25 20:40             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10  9:41         ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-10  9:46           ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-10 14:29             ` sjw
2010-05-11  7:51               ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-11  9:33                 ` sjw
2010-05-10 18:47           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-09 21:28     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-09 21:30       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-09 22:44       ` Simon Wright
2010-05-10  7:54         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10  8:02       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 18:45         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 21:00           ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-10 22:17             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11  6:56               ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-11  7:39           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11  8:06             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 15:46             ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-11 16:05               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:09                 ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-11 16:09                   ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-11 17:08                     ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-11 16:39                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 19:45                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 23:44                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 12:12                             ` Mark Lorenzen
2010-05-12 14:55                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 17:35                       ` Pascal Obry
2010-05-11 18:06                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) [this message]
2010-05-11 16:23                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:41                     ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-11 16:45                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 19:21                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12  8:41                   ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-12 14:52                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 15:59                       ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-12 16:49                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-13  8:05                           ` Phil Thornley
2010-05-12 15:37                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 16:06                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 17:24                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 18:09                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-12 18:33                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 18:53                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-12 21:57                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-13  2:03                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-13  8:39                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-14 23:45                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-15  9:30                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-15 18:39                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-15 20:33                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-15  0:17                             ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-15  9:40                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 18:15                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-25 20:45                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26  7:55                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-26  8:38                             ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-26  8:01                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 11:25                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 13:02                                 ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-26 12:22                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 12:47                                     ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-27 12:26                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-26 13:06                                   ` (see below)
2010-05-27 12:41                                     ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-27 12:29                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-27 15:21                                       ` (see below)
2010-06-03  3:16                                         ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-03 10:42                                           ` Brian Drummond
2010-06-03 21:14                                             ` (see below)
2010-06-03 22:00                                               ` Britt Snodgrass
2010-06-03 22:29                                                 ` (see below)
2010-06-03 13:49                                           ` (see below)
2010-06-04 13:49                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-04 13:53                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-04 14:24                                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-06-04 17:34                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-06-04 15:29                                               ` (see below)
2010-05-12 18:10                       ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-12 17:48                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-13  0:37                           ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-13  9:09                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-13  0:33                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 14:15       ` GNAT Pro license (was: " Peter Hermann
2010-05-10  1:40 ` Björn Persson
2010-05-10  2:04   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10  7:01     ` Ludovic Brenta
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