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From: "G.B." <bauhaus@notmyhomepage.invalid>
Subject: Re: Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language
Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 08:24:19 +0200
Date: 2017-08-11T08:24:19+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <omjiao$uqh$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <omj1e4$uap$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk>

On 11.08.17 03:31, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> Speaking of evil, anonymous types are evil. Why is it hard to declare a
> record type for this purpose?

A record is mutable, a tuple isn't meant to be mutable
(i.e., can't update it's components). Also, it is harder
to start from good types and names than to use a continous
improvement process that finds them.

A tuple language will first let programmers write

    return Integer, Float,
or
    -> (Int, Float)
or
   int, float function;

and then let them use these values "generically": anything that
takes an integer and a floating point value will work:
argument pattern matching, or referring to Fst and
Snd component using built-in ".0" and ".1" suffix notation.
It then does not matter whether the integers and FPT values
really are of types (apples, prices) or (oranges, weight)...
  
It is convenient.

It is prone to logical errors, because it'll make lazy
programmers stop making good use of the type system, i.e.
it eases accidentally mistaking apples for oranges,
or price for weight, IOW make reasonably errors.

It is, therefore, a very viable scheme of language based
supportbusiness.



OTOH, if (int, float) tuples used in the implementation
of an ADT only, then the convenience might loose some of
the disadvantages of depending on tuples.


  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-11  6:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 228+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-03  5:45 Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language Randy Brukardt
2017-08-03 12:06 ` Lucretia
2017-08-03 12:52   ` Lucretia
2017-08-09 21:08     ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-09 21:12       ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 14:43         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:14           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  1:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  1:24           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  5:54             ` G.B.
2017-08-10  5:41       ` G.B.
2017-08-10 14:41         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:25           ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-10 15:42             ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 15:44             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  0:56           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  1:10           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11 22:43             ` Shark8
2017-08-12  2:40               ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11 14:42           ` Justin Sq
2017-08-11 14:48             ` jsquirek
2017-08-11 17:10               ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11 17:24                 ` Justin Sq
2017-08-11 20:09                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11 21:13                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-18 21:06                       ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-31  0:49                         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-31  7:36                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31  9:52                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 12:49                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31 13:16                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 14:09                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-31 14:41                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 15:45                                     ` Simon Wright
2017-08-31 16:08                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31 18:51                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2017-08-31 23:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-01  3:51                                 ` Justin Sq
2017-09-01  7:24                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-01 12:23                                     ` jsquirek
2017-09-03  1:17                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-18 20:33               ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-19  1:24                 ` Shark8
2017-08-19  8:55                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-19 16:38                     ` Shark8
2017-08-19 17:09                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-22  6:02                         ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-22  7:34                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-26  4:41                             ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-26  6:29                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-26  7:16                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-26  7:48                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-27 12:03                                     ` Robert Eachus
2017-08-27 12:35                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-27 14:44                                         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-08-27 16:32                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-19  8:47                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-10 12:18       ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-10 12:40         ` Lucretia
2017-08-10 15:17           ` J-P. Rosen
2017-08-11  8:33         ` AdaMagica
2017-08-10 16:28       ` Pascal Obry
2017-08-10 16:52         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-10 17:08           ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-10 17:25             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  1:02               ` Lucretia
2017-08-11  6:08                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11 20:51                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-10 17:06         ` Luke A. Guest
2017-08-11  1:31           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-08-11  6:24             ` G.B. [this message]
2017-08-11  7:57               ` Stefan.Lucks
2017-08-11  8:34                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  8:53                   ` Stefan.Lucks
2017-08-11  9:12                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-11  9:22                   ` AdaMagica
2017-08-12 18:29                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-29 16:01               ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-08-09 15:24 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-08-09 17:23   ` Shark8
2017-08-09 18:49     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-08-31  6:59   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-08-28 23:49 ` faryumg
2017-08-29  8:17   ` Simon Wright
2017-08-31 13:35   ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-02 10:49   ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-02 11:04     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-02 11:21     ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-02 15:22       ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-02 17:19       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-04 20:52         ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-03  1:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-06 15:02         ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-06 15:57           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-09-06 18:56             ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-06 21:21           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 21:04             ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-08 21:46               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-08 23:55                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-16 12:49                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-09-16 13:10                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-17 11:05                     ` AdaMagica
2017-09-17 12:51                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-08 22:13               ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-10 21:09                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
     [not found]                 ` <9d4274d7-5ad1-42d0-8ec3-de822e28ec6c@googlegroups.com>
2017-10-02 19:01                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 23:07               ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-09 20:35                 ` Johan Söderlind Åström
2017-10-02 18:57                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-09 14:48           ` G.B.
2017-09-03  1:35       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-03 10:32         ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-03 12:59           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-05 22:25             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-05 22:29           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-02 16:49     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-03 10:34       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-02 17:08     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-06 16:38       ` Vincent DIEMUNSCH
2017-09-06 20:52         ` Egil H H
2017-09-06 21:30         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-08 15:49         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-03  1:28     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-06  6:15   ` Shark8
2017-09-01 14:11 ` Björn Lundin
2017-09-01 14:47   ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-01 16:02     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-01 17:53   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-09-01 18:06     ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-01 19:02     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-03  1:22   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-11 18:49 ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-11 19:33   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  6:18     ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  6:38       ` gautier_niouzes
2017-09-12  7:02         ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  7:15           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  7:35             ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12  9:23             ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-12 10:07               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:30                 ` Shark8
2017-09-12 16:58                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 19:30                 ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-12 19:53                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 10:44           ` gautier_niouzes
2017-09-12  6:39       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12  7:02         ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  7:42           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12  8:24             ` Tarjei Jensen
2017-09-12  8:35             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12  9:21               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 10:22                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 10:48                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 12:09                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 12:56                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 13:14                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 13:25                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 13:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 14:07                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 15:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 14:36                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 15:55                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:15                                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 16:40                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 16:47                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 16:59                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 17:03                                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 17:17                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 17:29                                               ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 19:14                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-12 19:58                                                   ` Egil H H
2017-09-13  7:24                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-13  8:13                                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-13  8:57                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-13  9:00                                                           ` Egil H H
2017-09-12 18:55                                       ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12 17:43                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-13 13:07                                   ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-13 16:34                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-13 18:34                                       ` Egil H H
2017-09-13 19:41                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-14 12:30                                       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-09-14 13:36                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2017-09-14 18:08                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 19:53                             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-12 14:55                           ` Simon Wright
2017-09-12 16:04                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 19:51                           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-03  7:48                             ` Simon Wright
2017-10-03  9:34                               ` G.B.
2017-10-03 10:11                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-03 13:25                                   ` G.B.
2017-10-03 13:56                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-03 20:24                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-03 20:20                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-10-02 19:45                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-09-12 17:41       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-09-12 21:04   ` G.B.
2017-09-13  7:30     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-13 17:39       ` G.B.
2017-09-13 19:34         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-09-14  6:57           ` G.B.
2017-09-14  7:33             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 10:06 ` reinert
2017-10-02 13:54   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 14:56     ` reinert
2017-10-02 14:56   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-10-02 15:02   ` G.B.
2017-10-02 16:23     ` reinert
2017-10-02 16:38       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 17:19         ` reinert
2017-10-02 17:39           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-02 19:10       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-02 19:14       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-10-03  3:30         ` reinert
2017-10-03  6:36           ` G.B.
2017-10-04 19:21             ` reinert
2017-10-04 19:33               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-04 21:45               ` G.B.
2017-10-04 22:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-05  6:50                   ` G.B.
2017-10-05  7:21                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-10-04 12:38 ` Daniel Norte Moraes
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2017-08-03  5:53 Randy Brukardt
2017-08-03  9:42 ` Dirk Craeynest
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