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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: State of the compiler market
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 12:53:59 +0200
Date: 2017-06-30T12:53:59+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <oj5ak6$l6$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: oj57qu$675$1@dont-email.me

On 30/06/2017 12:10, J-P. Rosen wrote:
> Le 30/06/2017 à 10:10, Dmitry A. Kazakov a écrit :
>> Semantically all strings are chains of code points.
> But different strings may use different encoded character sets, hence
> different code points.

Even when they rarely do, that is a constraint, almost never static as 
you have no control on the text input.

>> True, however for performance reasons many applications tend to deal
>> with UTF-8 octets rather than with code points. I doubt anybody uses
>> characters at all.

> ?? I certainly use it, or Wide_Character for ASIS applications.

You probably do it as a code point, not as a character.

> If you
> need to sort strings, or do anything more complicated than storing
> strings, you'd better decode the strings and not keep them as UTF-8.

Why? The order induced by code points has no more sense that one induced 
by octets. For parsing and compiling I practically never use code 
points. Searching a table of tokens ordered by octets works just fine.

>> The magic is called array. You have to use magic spell "type ... is
>> array (...) of ..." with severe limitation coming with.
> ?? Array magic? It is a normal construct of any (almost) programming
> language.

Any construct which cannot be expressed through other constructs is 
magic per definition.

> Unless you are so OO-maniac as to consider that a 10-elements
> structure should be an extension of a 9-elements structure...

Huh, but arrays are OO-maniacal because an array slice is substitutable 
for array and conversely. In that sense one is an extension of another. 
This type equivalence induces a class of array/slice types, all done 
magically in Ada. The plea is to have a type mechanics to express such 
relationships at the library level.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de


  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-30 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-23  0:26 State of the compiler market john
2017-02-23  3:17 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-23  5:16 ` Per Sandberg
2017-02-23  6:01 ` gautier_niouzes
2017-02-23  9:01   ` joakimds
2017-02-23 18:03 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-24  9:23   ` Per Sandberg
2017-02-24  9:32     ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-23 21:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-24 16:36 ` john
2017-02-25 10:48 ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 11:07   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-25 14:25     ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 17:30       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-02-25 11:29   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 13:46     ` G.B.
2017-02-25 14:46     ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 15:21       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 15:49         ` Ingo M.
2017-02-25 16:11           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-25 19:03       ` G.B.
2017-02-26  0:11         ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-26  8:44           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-26  0:20 ` Luke A. Guest
2017-02-26  2:26   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-26  9:14     ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-26 17:35       ` antispam
2017-02-26 22:32         ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-27  2:38           ` antispam
2017-02-27  2:54             ` Paul Rubin
2017-02-27  3:54               ` antispam
2017-02-28 20:51       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-02-28 21:29         ` Luke A. Guest
2017-03-01  8:43           ` reinkor
2017-03-01 14:20             ` Adacore and licensing (again), was: " Simon Clubley
2017-03-01 17:02               ` reinert
2017-03-01 18:34                 ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-05 19:38                   ` Robert Eachus
2017-03-05 23:17                     ` Luke A. Guest
2017-03-06  1:12                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-03-06  2:56                       ` Robert Eachus
2017-03-07 20:47                     ` Simon Clubley
2017-03-08  0:23                       ` Lucretia
2017-03-08 10:26                         ` Simon Wright
2017-03-01 14:28             ` volkert
2017-03-01 15:01               ` J-P. Rosen
2017-03-01 16:05               ` G.B.
2017-03-06 23:15               ` john
2017-03-07 16:42                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-06-27  8:29             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-28 10:40               ` Lucretia
2017-06-28 11:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 13:54                   ` Luke A. Guest
2017-06-28 14:16                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29  1:26                 ` Shark8
2017-06-29  5:46                   ` gautier_niouzes
2017-06-29 11:36                     ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 12:23                       ` gautier_niouzes
2017-06-29 12:50                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29 14:47                         ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 17:23                           ` G.B.
2017-06-29 18:27                             ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-29 19:04                               ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 19:01                             ` Lucretia
2017-06-30  5:27                               ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30  7:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30  7:34                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30  8:10                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 10:10                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30 10:53                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2017-06-30  7:51                                   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2017-06-30  8:20                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 11:11                                 ` Lucretia
2017-06-30 11:23                                   ` Lucretia
2017-06-29 12:57                       ` Petter Fryklund
2017-06-30 13:57                       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-06-30 14:19                         ` Lucretia
2017-07-01  8:06                           ` darkestkhan
2017-07-01  9:17                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-02-26 10:14     ` Dirk Craeynest
2017-02-27  9:56       ` Ivan Levashev
2017-06-27  8:00 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
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