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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada Annoyances
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2017 18:43:15 -0500
Date: 2017-06-25T18:43:15-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <oiphqk$osf$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 4921bd4e-3827-a7ac-7f2d-d60edbc514a3@tidorum.invalid

"Niklas Holsti" <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid> wrote in message 
news:4921bd4e-3827-a7ac-7f2d-d60edbc514a3@tidorum.invalid...
> On 17-06-23 20:49 , Randy Brukardt wrote:
>> <raph.amiard@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:be1619b4-2220-4287-8e67-1af32377d3f7@googlegroups.com...
>> ...
>>> Ada forcing tagged types on you to use certain features *is* a
>>> problem, if only because certain Ada users are forbidden to
>>> use tagged types altogether and thus are prevented to use a
>>> lot of useful features.
>>
>> Stupid language usage rules are not the problem of the language design,
>> they're a management problem.
>
> Sometimes usage rules are imposed by environment constraints, in 
> particular limited resources in smallish embedded systems, combined with 
> reliability requirements which mean that running out of resources at run 
> time must be avoided.
>
>> I can understand banning T'Class (thus banning
>> dynamic dispatching) and banning controlled types (thus banning hidden 
>> calls
>> that can be harder to analyze), but not banning tagged types themselves.
...

> b) the non-static size of class-wide objects (of type T'Class), which 
> means that the compiler and/or the programmer must use dynamic allocation 
> (usually heap or secondary stack) for such objects.
...
> Point (b) is more difficult and I know of no work-around that can be 
> applied at analysis time.

Simply banning the use of T'Class has that effect. It's rather drastic, but 
it eliminates all of the dynamic features. Note that this was considered 
important enough that the standard (in Annex H) restriction No_Dispatch has 
this effect.

You still get the other advantages of tagged types (extension, proper 
inheritance for private, equality, prefixed notation, etc.), and there is 
almost no runtime penalty (or analysis problem).

                         Randy.

    . 


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2017-06-21  1:12 Ada Annoyances pythoner6
2017-06-21 10:13 ` Lucretia
2017-06-23 15:27   ` raph.amiard
2017-06-23 17:49     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-23 19:21       ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-24  4:02         ` Shark8
2017-06-24 19:55         ` Simon Wright
2017-06-24 20:56           ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-25 23:43         ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2017-06-26 20:20           ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-26 21:47             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-26 22:23               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29 19:00               ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-29 21:29                 ` Robert A Duff
2017-06-30  0:50                   ` Randy Brukardt
2017-07-03 20:39                     ` Robert A Duff
2017-07-04 19:52                       ` Niklas Holsti
2017-07-04 19:32                   ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-30  0:47                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-30 18:45                   ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-30 20:06                     ` Robert A Duff
2017-06-29 21:12         ` Robert A Duff
2017-07-04 19:30           ` Niklas Holsti
2017-07-05 20:03             ` Robert A Duff
2017-06-23 19:22       ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-30 15:02       ` Norman Worth
2017-06-30 23:49         ` pythoner6
2017-07-03  0:04           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-07-03 17:47             ` Jere
2017-07-03 19:43               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-07-04  2:18               ` Randy Brukardt
2017-12-17 13:47                 ` Prefixed notation for non tagged types Jere
2017-12-17 15:06                   ` Simon Wright
2017-12-17 15:33                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-12-18 22:31                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-12-19  0:40                     ` Jere
2017-12-19 23:04                       ` Randy Brukardt
2017-12-20 12:33                         ` Robert Eachus
2017-06-21 11:58 ` Ada Annoyances joakimds
2017-06-21 12:29   ` Pascal Obry
2017-06-21 14:52     ` pythoner6
2017-06-21 16:11       ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-21 16:12       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-21 22:45         ` pythoner6
2017-06-22  7:29           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-22 10:29             ` pythoner6
2017-06-22 11:04               ` Egil H H
2017-06-22 13:30               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-22 19:22                 ` Niklas Holsti
2017-06-22 21:52                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-23  9:33                     ` AdaMagica
2017-06-23 10:25                       ` Simon Wright
2017-06-23  1:00                 ` pythoner6
2017-06-23 15:23         ` raph.amiard
2017-06-23 16:10           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-23 17:41           ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-23 18:56           ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-23 22:18             ` pythoner6
2017-06-24  8:05               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-24  8:35                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-24  9:07                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-24 20:50                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-24 21:06                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-25 11:33                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-25 14:32                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-25 20:50                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-26  7:58                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-26 13:24                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-26 16:38                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-26 20:42                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-24  8:34               ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-24 13:06                 ` pythoner6
2017-06-24 15:40                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-26  0:06                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-26 20:35                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-26 21:40                     ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-27  7:23                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-27 20:38                         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-28  8:21                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 20:50                             ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-28 23:18                               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2017-06-29  7:27                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-29 16:24                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-06-29 16:51                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2017-07-04 23:40                                   ` Luke A. Guest
2017-07-05  5:29                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2017-07-05 13:49                                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2017-07-05 17:49                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2017-06-29 21:46                                 ` darkestkhan
2017-06-29  7:15                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30  0:42                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-30  7:36                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 13:07                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-27  7:26                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-27 20:41                         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-06-28  7:57                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-27 15:19                     ` AdaMagica
2017-06-27 16:32                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 13:15                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2017-06-28 14:05                         ` AdaMagica
2017-06-29 21:17                           ` Robert A Duff
2017-06-30  7:44                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30  7:49                               ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30  8:28                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-30 10:14                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2017-06-30 10:30                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-28 20:53                         ` Randy Brukardt
2017-12-17 16:24             ` Mehdi Saada
2017-12-17 17:27               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-12-18 23:09                 ` Randy Brukardt
2017-12-19  9:25                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2017-06-21 20:40       ` G.B.
2017-06-21 22:25         ` pythoner6
2017-06-26 11:01     ` Vincent
2017-06-26 11:15       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2017-06-26 16:35       ` Pascal Obry
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