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From: "Jeffrey R. Carter" <spam@spam.com>
Subject: Re: Half Constrained Array Types and Slices
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 05:15:00 GMT
Date: 2006-03-03T05:15:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ohQNf.401$x94.199@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <wccmzg8y43i.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>

Robert A Duff wrote:
> 
> (Except my hobby language can use this idea to _simplify_, whereas Ada
> would have had to add this feature and still keep the "range <>"
> notation for compatibility.)

Right. I suppose you could introduce a notation like

Positive range 1 .. <>

to get a similar effect without having 2 ways to do an unconstrained array.

> I'm not so sure about that.  I'm inclined to say slices always slide to
> the lower bound.  The idea that X(3..5) should have lower bound 3 seems
> to make sense at first, until you think about passing that slice as a
> parameter.  The called procedure should not care that it's a slice at
> all -- much less the particular bounds used to create it.  The Ada rule
> violates abstraction.  Same issue for function returns.

OK. So you're saying a slice (Lo .. Hi) of an unconstrained array type would 
slide to Index'First .. Index'First + Hi - Lo?

> Yes, I agree that's a problem.  Various possible solutions come to
> mind.  Probably the simplest is to outlaw slices of constrained arrays.
> After all, what is the sense in saying "all arrays of type T go from
> 1 to 5", and then turn around and create values of type T with bounds
> 3..4?  Even in Ada as is, there is very little use for this feature.
> You can do:
> 
>     type Bits is array(Int range 0..31) of Boolean;
> 
>     function Rotate(X: Bits) return Boolean Bits is
>     begin
>         return X(31) & X(0..30);
>     end Rotate;
> 
> But that's not worth much language complexity.  If you want that,
> declare an unconstrained (doubly unconstrained?) array, along with
> constrained subtype(s).

That was the rule in Ada 83, IIRC. It apparently bit enough people that it was 
changed in Ada 95.

> I can talk about more and more exotic ideas, depending on how far away
> from Ada you're willing to contemplate.  ;-)  For example, I'd like to
> be able to do:
> 
>     type T(D1: ...; D2: ...) is ...
>     subtype S is T(D1 => 17); -- Illegal in Ada to partially constrain!
> 
> Or maybe the syntax should be "T(D1 => 17, D2 => <>)".

In that case, this would be how you'd deal with slices of half-constrained 
arrays if you wanted to keep the bounds; the base type would be unconstrained 
and the first-named subtype would be partially constrained.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"You cheesy lot of second-hand electric donkey-bottom biters."
Monty Python & the Holy Grail
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-03  5:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-02  5:00 Half Constrained Array Types and Slices Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02  8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 15:34   ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-03-02 19:37     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 20:06   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02 20:37     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-02 21:01     ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-02 20:40   ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-02 14:32 ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-03-02 20:08   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-02 20:48   ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-06  2:16     ` Larry Kilgallen
2006-03-06 18:50       ` Martin Krischik
2006-03-02 20:38 ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-03  5:15   ` Jeffrey R. Carter [this message]
2006-03-03  8:57     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-03 23:41     ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-06 17:50       ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-06 18:31         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-07 19:02           ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-08 14:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-09 22:44               ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10  8:46                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-06 19:49         ` Stefan Lucks
2006-03-08 17:36         ` brian.b.mcguinness
2006-03-08 17:56           ` Jeff Carter
2006-03-09 22:36         ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10  4:28           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-10  8:46             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-10 17:33               ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-10 21:24                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-03-10 17:38             ` Robert A Duff
2006-03-11  0:19               ` Randy Brukardt
2006-03-11  1:43                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-03-11  8:38                   ` Niklas Holsti
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