From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: "Must instantiate controlled types at library level." Why?
Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 09:48:41 +0200
Date: 2004-05-18T09:48:41+02:00 [thread overview]
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:02:27 +0400 (MSD), "Alexander E. Kopilovich"
<aek@VB1162.spb.edu> wrote:
>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>
>> Clearly it is
>> desirable to have a minimal set of first-class things providing a
>> richest possible set of second-class ones with minimal efforts.
>
>This is a language-oriented view, not an application-oriented view, and it
>isn't (and can't be) shared by vast majority of C/C++ users.
Everything depends on what is language and what is application. A
component library is an application that directly use the language. A
business application might view both the core language and the
container library as the language it deals with. This ladder might be
endless, but at any height the principle holds.
>> Thus
>> comparing two languages one should take into account not what the
>> first-class objects sets contain or not, but how productive and small
>> they are.
>
>That may be true/useful for pure language analysis, but the usage profile
>(which includes the standard library as well as the most popular non-standard
>libraries) is no less important for even theoretical conclusions.
Sure.
But to have a library you need the language first. And as the story of
container libraries shows, the languages (both C++ and Ada) seem to be
insufficient for this job.
--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2004-05-11 23:04 "Must instantiate controlled types at library level." Why? Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12 1:03 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-12 10:47 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12 11:25 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-12 14:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 2:20 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-12 11:55 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 2:59 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13 7:10 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 10:36 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13 11:18 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-13 22:27 ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-13 22:54 ` Freejack
2004-05-14 7:13 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-14 13:50 ` Xenos
2004-05-14 17:27 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-14 17:58 ` Xenos
2004-05-14 18:49 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-14 19:40 ` Xenos
2004-05-14 22:47 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-15 8:34 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-16 2:55 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-16 13:48 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-17 2:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17 5:39 ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-17 7:48 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-05-17 15:01 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17 16:31 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-17 17:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-17 19:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-17 6:24 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 19:48 ` James Kanze
2004-05-18 6:27 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 12:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-17 13:46 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-17 15:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-17 16:02 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-18 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2004-05-19 1:20 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-19 9:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19 12:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-19 13:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19 13:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-19 13:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-19 14:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-19 14:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-21 11:39 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-21 20:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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2004-05-23 1:28 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-05-23 8:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-24 11:38 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-24 13:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-24 14:40 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-25 8:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-25 15:47 ` Georg Bauhaus
[not found] ` <URJ8Eg0vzF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-17 16:50 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-18 8:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-15 17:20 ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-13 19:33 ` Randy Brukardt
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