From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada 2012 Constraints (WRT an Ada IR)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 16:26:45 -0600
Date: 2016-12-01T16:26:45-06:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <o1q81b$9kc$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: o1oohd$13nu$1@gioia.aioe.org
"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
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>On the contrary, predicates is useless and dangerous mess.
I can understand "useless" (that's an opinion I don't share, but it's fair
to have it), and I understand "mess" (the difference between static and
dynamic predicates shouldn't have happened; I wanted set constraints instead
of static predicates, which would have been more consistent), but I don't
understand dangerous. Predicates (and all contracts, for that matter) are
designed not the affect the semantics of a program at all if they are
removed (or "Ignored"). With the solitary exception of static predicates and
case and loops (see "mess" above). Ergo, there can be no danger from
including a contract; indeed, if there *is* a danger, there is a bug in
either the implementation or the language.
Moreover, predicates are inherited in much the same way that constraints
(and null exclusions as well, those also aren't formally constraints);
there's little difference in the way any of these work. So it's hard to see
why constraints would be OK and predicates would be dangerous. (It's
actually more the other way around, since suppressing a contraint can
actually make a program dangerous; that's not possible for a predicate.)
Randy.
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2016-11-28 23:49 Ada 2012 Constraints (WRT an Ada IR) Shark8
2016-11-29 8:17 ` G.B.
2016-11-29 20:32 ` Shark8
2016-11-29 20:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-11-29 20:51 ` Shark8
2016-11-29 21:06 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-11-29 22:59 ` Shark8
2016-11-30 8:31 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-11-30 18:28 ` Shark8
2016-11-30 20:26 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-12-01 0:16 ` Shark8
2016-12-01 22:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-11-30 20:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-01 0:58 ` Shark8
2016-12-01 8:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-01 22:26 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2016-12-02 16:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-02 19:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-03 10:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-02 19:50 ` G.B.
2016-12-03 10:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-03 14:02 ` G.B.
2016-12-03 16:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-04 15:28 ` Robert Eachus
2016-12-05 8:41 ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-12-05 8:58 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-05 11:09 ` Simon Wright
2016-12-05 18:42 ` Shark8
2016-12-05 22:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-06 20:51 ` Shark8
2016-12-06 21:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-06 21:44 ` Shark8
2016-12-06 23:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-07 22:42 ` Shark8
2016-12-07 1:08 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-12-07 6:36 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-12-07 13:10 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-12-07 22:55 ` Brian Drummond
2016-12-08 2:44 ` Shark8
2016-12-07 10:04 ` G.B.
2016-12-07 10:14 ` G.B.
2016-12-07 10:51 ` J-P. Rosen
2016-12-08 18:33 ` G.B.
2016-12-09 8:26 ` J-P. Rosen
2016-12-09 8:56 ` G.B.
2016-12-10 15:13 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2016-12-11 19:50 ` Shark8
2016-12-05 22:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-06 23:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-07 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-07 22:37 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-08 8:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-10 15:24 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2016-12-09 9:12 ` Robert Eachus
2016-12-05 19:22 ` G.B.
2016-12-05 22:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-05 22:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-05 22:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-06 9:29 ` Simon Wright
2016-12-06 10:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-06 23:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-07 10:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-07 22:26 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-08 8:57 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-08 9:42 ` G.B.
2016-12-08 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-08 18:35 ` G.B.
2016-12-09 9:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-11 11:21 ` G.B.
2016-12-11 12:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-11 13:31 ` G.B.
2016-12-11 15:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-11 20:51 ` G.B.
2016-12-12 8:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-12 15:31 ` G.B.
2016-12-12 17:39 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-12 18:55 ` G.B.
2016-12-12 20:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 7:15 ` G.B.
2016-12-13 8:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 10:39 ` G.B.
2016-12-13 11:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 16:59 ` G.B.
2016-12-13 21:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 22:13 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 8:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 11:04 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 11:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 12:44 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 12:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 16:31 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 16:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 18:14 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 12:05 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 19:23 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 20:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 21:46 ` Shark8
2016-12-15 8:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 10:31 ` G.B.
2016-12-15 13:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 13:27 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 19:50 ` G.B.
2016-12-16 10:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-16 11:48 ` G.B.
2016-12-16 12:56 ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-12-16 19:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-16 20:35 ` G.B.
2016-12-17 9:33 ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-12-19 22:57 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-16 13:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 14:34 ` Shark8
2016-12-15 14:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 22:34 ` Shark8
2016-12-16 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-17 3:46 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 12:21 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 12:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 16:21 ` G.B.
2016-12-14 16:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 18:55 ` G.B.
2016-12-13 18:25 ` Shark8
2016-12-13 21:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 22:32 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 22:53 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-15 8:44 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 22:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-16 8:38 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-16 19:51 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-17 9:13 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-19 22:33 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-20 11:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-21 0:54 ` Shark8
2016-12-21 0:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-21 15:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-21 18:26 ` G.B.
2016-12-21 21:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-22 9:54 ` G.B.
2016-12-22 10:16 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-14 11:46 ` G.B.
2016-12-12 19:48 ` Shark8
2016-12-12 20:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-12 21:33 ` Shark8
2016-12-13 8:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 18:53 ` Shark8
2016-12-13 21:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 22:16 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 9:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-11 23:58 ` Paul Rubin
2016-12-12 8:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-12 15:23 ` G.B.
2016-12-12 15:51 ` G.B.
2016-12-09 21:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-13 11:56 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2016-12-13 15:02 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-13 17:38 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2016-12-05 22:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-11-29 17:53 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-11-29 18:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-11-29 20:45 ` Shark8
2016-11-30 0:03 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-11-30 0:59 ` Shark8
2016-12-01 10:33 ` AdaMagica
2016-11-29 23:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-11-30 1:24 ` Shark8
2016-11-30 22:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-11-30 1:29 ` Shark8
2016-11-30 22:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-01 1:21 ` Shark8
2016-12-01 22:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-01 10:06 ` AdaMagica
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2016-12-09 21:41 Randy Brukardt
2016-12-09 22:32 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-12-13 0:41 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-13 2:34 ` Shark8
2016-12-13 22:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-14 0:38 ` Shark8
2016-12-13 20:45 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-12-13 23:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-14 0:53 ` Shark8
2016-12-14 22:22 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-13 22:45 Randy Brukardt
2016-12-14 22:40 Randy Brukardt
2016-12-15 8:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-15 22:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-16 8:40 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-16 19:46 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-16 20:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-19 22:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-20 10:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-21 0:50 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-12-21 15:56 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-12-21 22:03 Randy Brukardt
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