From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Derived private interface
Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:01:52 +0200
Date: 2011-08-03T11:01:52+02:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <nwyetwf3hqn7$.gm3c388p0s3c$.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: j19pfe$aj0$1@munin.nbi.dk
On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:16:27 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
> news:1nvqqny2226ro$.1ixvoiht8zu8l$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> On Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:56:17 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>>
>>> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message
>>> news:1rlxo1uthv5xt.1agapd9q0mek4$.dlg@40tude.net...
>>> ...
>>>> BTW, Generic_Dispatching_Constructor of Ada 2005 did not change much to
>>>> Ada
>>>> 95 because of tags. You still need a registering layer to maintain
>>>> external name to tag mapping.
>>>
>>> It did eliminate one thing, the need to have a scheme to create an object
>>> of
>>> each tagged type. That forced the use of either a case statement or an
>>> access-to-subprogram, either of which is error-prone.
>>
>> I don't consider the case statement because it is just a wrong pattern.
>> Regarding mappings type ID to either a constructing function or tag, they
>> are equivalent. Both require the same amount of maintenance.
>
> There are more sources of error when using access-to-subprogram; it's easy
> to forget to create a routine or use the wrong one.
Yes there is some advantage that the function in dispatching constructor is
primitive:
function Create (...) return T;
For access-to-subprogram it is class-wide:
function Create (...) return T'Class;
As for using a wrong subprogram you can also register a wrong tag. That is
same.
BTW, the patterns are:
-- with generic dispatching constructor
type T is tagged ...;
function Create (...) return T;
procedure Register (ID : ID_Type; Construct : Tag);
--- Usage:
package P is
type S is new T with ...;
overriding function Create (...) return S;
end P;
package body P is
...
begin
Register (S_ID, S'Tag);
end P;
vs.
-- Ada 95 access-to-subprogram solution
type T is tagged ...;
type Factory is access function Create (...) return T'Class;
procedure Register (ID : ID_Type; Constructor : Factory);
-- Usage:
package P is
type S is new T with ...;
end P;
package body P is
function Create (...) return T'Class is
...
end Create;
...
begin
Register (S_ID, Create'Access);
end P;
>>> There is no possibility of eliminating the need for some sort of registry --
>>> although in some cases you can use the one built-into the language (the
>>> External_Tag). There has to be a mapping somewhere of some sort of key to a
>>> tag, since it isn't possible to export tags to the "real world".
>>
>> It is possible, and even required for distributed weakly coupled
>> applications, but in order to do that you have to export the types
>> themselves rather than their tags.
>
> It might be possible for some non-Ada language, but it's not possible for
> Ada (and this is an Ada site and I was only talking about Ada here).
Well, if Ada designers are serious about addressing distributed systems
(Annex E), that has to happen. Either a kind of IDL must be put into the
Ada standard (highly undesired) or some other, more reasonable, means must
be provided to populate types. [Of course the type system must be brought
in order before even considering this sort of issues.]
--
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2011-07-05 3:14 Derived private interface Rego, P.
2011-07-05 5:10 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 2:24 ` Rego, P.
2011-07-06 4:34 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 7:55 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 8:30 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 12:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 13:23 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-06 19:06 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 13:28 ` Simon Wright
2011-07-06 19:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 22:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-06 23:56 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-07 14:09 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-07 15:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-08 4:29 ` AdaMagica
2011-07-08 19:08 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-08 19:12 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-07 15:19 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-07 10:37 ` Stephen Leake
2011-07-07 13:18 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-07-08 19:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-08 21:41 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-09 6:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-22 22:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-23 7:30 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-23 9:29 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-07-23 10:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-26 21:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-26 23:43 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-27 23:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-28 0:18 ` Jeffrey Carter
2011-07-28 10:06 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-07-28 23:24 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-29 6:45 ` Simon Wright
2011-07-30 0:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-30 6:32 ` Simon Wright
2011-08-01 9:30 ` Alex R. Mosteo
2011-08-01 10:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-01 21:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-02 10:03 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-02 21:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-03 9:01 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2011-08-03 20:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-04 8:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-09 21:10 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-09 21:35 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-10 9:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-10 21:56 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-11 8:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-12 4:52 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-12 8:54 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-08-10 10:07 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-10 11:26 ` Georg Bauhaus
2011-08-10 22:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-10 22:21 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-11 13:50 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-12 4:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-08-12 7:00 ` Maciej Sobczak
2011-08-12 21:59 ` Randy Brukardt
2011-07-06 15:06 ` Adam Beneschan
2011-07-06 16:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2011-07-06 19:20 ` Randy Brukardt
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