From: "John B. Matthews" <nospam@nospam.invalid>
Subject: Re: Operation can be dispatching in only one type
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:53:48 -0500
Date: 2009-12-01T16:53:48-05:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <nospam-ABB7DD.16534801122009@news.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: wof0ewwkyzy0$.13398rnn8cmje$.dlg@40tude.net
In article <wof0ewwkyzy0$.13398rnn8cmje$.dlg@40tude.net>,
"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:52:15 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
>
> > Dmitry A. Kazakov schrieb:
> >> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:02:21 +0100, Georg Bauhaus wrote:
[...]
> >>> If you feed this to a Java compiler you will see how it is done.
> >>> The Java compiler will not accept a reference to a variable's
> >>> component when the variable may not have been initialized.
> >>
> >> I consider this model wrong. It is better not to introduce
> >> inappropriate values rather than trying to catch them later.
> >
> > The Java rule works at compile time. No value is introduced at any
> > time during compilation. Nothing to catch.
>
> Of course there is something to catch. The compiler has to do this.
> So the question is at which cost, how many false positives and
> negatives it will find? How scalable is this feature for more
> elaborated types?
If I may amplify on this, the Java compiler rejects the assignment to
its_color because it's a local variable, which must have an explicit
value before use [1]. Once Tire's constructor completes, the value of
spare.rim_color has the default value null [1]. The compiler need only
check that its_color has been assigned in the current scope [2]. In
Georg Bauhaus' example, the constructor is invoked in a nested scope.
In Ada, I get a warning that '"Spare" is read but never assigned.'
type Tire_Color is (Black, White);
type Tire is record
Rim_Color : Tire_Color;
end record;
Spare : Tire;
If I throw in "for Tire_Color use (Black => 1, White => 2)," the
implicit initial value [3] of Rim_Color is not valid for Tire_Color.
It's "a bounded error to evaluate the value of such an object [4]," and
I get CONSTRAINT_ERROR at run-time.
The Java compiler doesn't warn that spare.rim_color is null by default;
the Ada compiler doesn't warn that Spare.Rim_Color is invalid by
default. In either language, I have to either accept the default initial
values or specify them. I sense I'm missing something.
[1]<http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/typesValues.htm
l#4.12.5>
[2]<http://java.sun.com/docs/books/jls/third_edition/html/defAssign.html#
25979>
[2]<http://www.adaic.com/standards/05rm/html/RM-3-3-1.html>
[3]<http://www.adaic.com/standards/05rm/html/RM-13-9-1.html>
--
John B. Matthews
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<http://sites.google.com/site/drjohnbmatthews>
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2009-11-13 20:12 Operation can be dispatching in only one type xorque
2009-11-13 20:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-13 20:43 ` xorque
2009-11-13 21:14 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-13 20:44 ` xorque
2009-11-16 17:43 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-16 20:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-16 20:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-16 21:35 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-16 22:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-17 22:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-18 9:46 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-18 16:39 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-18 19:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-19 0:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-19 2:11 ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-19 15:57 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-19 19:39 ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-19 23:43 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-19 8:50 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-19 23:54 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-20 8:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-20 10:58 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-11-21 6:02 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-21 13:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 5:45 ` xorque
2009-11-22 11:25 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-22 11:30 ` xorque
2009-11-22 16:25 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 16:27 ` xorque
2009-11-22 16:42 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 16:52 ` xorque
2009-11-22 17:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 18:03 ` xorque
2009-11-22 18:08 ` xorque
2009-11-22 18:28 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-22 18:41 ` xorque
2009-11-22 21:47 ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-23 3:42 ` stefan-lucks
2009-11-30 20:36 ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-30 23:54 ` (see below)
2009-12-01 12:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 12:23 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 12:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 13:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 15:02 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 16:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 17:52 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-01 18:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 21:53 ` John B. Matthews [this message]
2009-12-02 0:32 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02 11:18 ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-02 14:29 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2009-12-02 15:35 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02 1:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-02 9:07 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-02 12:35 ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-02 13:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-03 5:23 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-03 20:21 ` John B. Matthews
2009-12-03 5:29 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-03 11:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-03 23:08 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-04 8:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-05 2:45 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-05 10:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08 0:19 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-08 4:30 ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-08 9:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-10 4:09 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-12-11 0:10 ` Robert A Duff
2009-12-08 9:22 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08 10:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-08 10:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-08 10:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-12-08 10:49 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 23:51 ` Randy Brukardt
2009-11-23 8:52 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-11-30 20:43 ` Robert A Duff
2009-12-01 9:00 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 5:45 ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-01 11:12 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-01 8:01 ` stefan-lucks
2009-12-01 13:37 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2009-12-15 23:54 ` Robert A Duff
2009-11-23 7:48 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-23 7:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2009-11-19 16:04 ` Adam Beneschan
2009-11-19 2:23 ` tmoran
2009-11-19 8:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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