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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: RFC: Prototype for a user threading library in Ada
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:12:04 -0500
Date: 2016-06-23T17:12:04-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nkhmrj$3od$1@franka.jacob-sparre.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: nkg78j$1keu$1@gioia.aioe.org

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
news:nkg78j$1keu$1@gioia.aioe.org...
> On 23/06/2016 03:42, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>> I'd like to understand better the motivations for these features, so if 
>> you
>> (or anyone else) wants to try to explain them to me, feel free.
>
> The motivation is a two-liner. Let you have some consumer of data:
>
>    procedure Write (Buffer : String; Last : out Integer);
>
> It may take less than the whole string when called, but will take more 
> data later. So, the parameter Last. Now you want to write a program in a 
> *normal* way:
>
>    Write ("This");
>    Write ("That");
>
> That's it.

That wasn't my question; I'm wondering the motivation for these features in 
terms of parallelization. In today's world, it's impossible to consider any 
feature in a purely sequential manner. The expressiveness gain (if any) is 
secondary. And the OP was talking about parallelism, not generators.

The generator proposal as expressed in AI12-0197-1 is just too expensive to 
consider for a purely sequential feature. For Janus/Ada on Windows, we'd 
either have to throw away 1/3 of the back-end of the compiler (and generally 
use slower instructions in some cases, impacting all code), or implement 
these *exactly* as we do tasks (with a TCB, context switching, and so on). 
[Not to mention the extensive changes needed to the front-end.] For 
something to be worth that sort of effort, it has to benefit a large 
percentage of programs. This (as a purely sequential feature) doesn't do 
that.

                                                Randy.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-06-23 22:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-17  9:44 RFC: Prototype for a user threading library in Ada Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-17 16:18 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-06-17 16:46   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-18  8:16     ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-18  8:47       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-18  9:17         ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-18 11:53           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-20  8:23             ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-20  9:22               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-23  1:42       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-23  8:39         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-23 22:12           ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2016-06-24  7:34             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-24 23:00               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-25  7:11                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-26  2:02                   ` rieachus
2016-06-26  6:26                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-24  0:38           ` rieachus
2016-06-25  6:28             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-26  1:34               ` rieachus
2016-06-26  3:21               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-26  6:15                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-28 20:44                   ` Anh Vo
2016-07-02  4:13                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-02 10:25                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-05 21:53                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-06  9:25                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-07  0:32                           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-07  6:08                             ` Niklas Holsti
2016-07-08  0:03                               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-08  7:32                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-11 19:40                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-12  8:37                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-12 21:31                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-08 20:17                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2016-06-24 21:06         ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-26  3:09           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-26  6:41             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-02  4:21               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-02 10:33                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-05 21:24                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-06 13:46                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-07  1:00                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-07 14:23                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-07 23:43                           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-08  8:23                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-11 19:44                               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-26  9:09             ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-02  4:36               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-02  5:30                 ` Simon Wright
2016-07-05 21:29                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-07-02 11:13                 ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-02 13:18                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-02 16:49                     ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-02 21:33                       ` Niklas Holsti
2016-07-03 20:56                         ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-02 17:26                   ` Niklas Holsti
2016-07-02 21:14                   ` Niklas Holsti
2016-07-03  7:42                     ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-03  8:39                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-03 21:15                         ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-04  7:44                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-07-05 21:38                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-06-21  2:40     ` rieachus
2016-06-21  7:34       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-06-18  7:56   ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-18  8:33 ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-18 11:38 ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-06-18 13:17   ` Niklas Holsti
2016-06-18 16:27   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-06-20  8:42 ` Hadrien Grasland
2016-07-10  0:45 ` rieachus
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