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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Uninitialized out parameters.
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 23:22:22 +0200
Date: 2016-04-06T23:22:22+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ne3un4$5qf$1@gioia.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: ne3tfq$v2$1@loke.gir.dk

On 2016-04-06 23:01, Randy Brukardt wrote:
> I said:
>> It *seems* like checks like the one Ahlan is suggesting are a good idea,
>> until you trip over one. (The check in Ada that every function have at
>> least one return is a similar idea, which causes no end of trouble.)
>
> On top of that, exactly what would the check be? Which of the following
> ought to be illegal?
>
>        procedure Foo1 (Obj : out Positive) is null;
>
>        procedure Foo2 (Obj : out Positive) is
>        begin
>             null;
>        end Foo2;
>
>        Debug : constant Boolean := False;
>        procedure Foo3 (Obj : out Positive) is
>        begin
>              if Debug then
>                   Put_Line ("Foo3 called");
>              end if;
>        end Foo3;
>
> Foo1 and Foo2 are semantically identical (Foo1 is in fact defined in terms
> of Foo2). But it is clearly a lot harder for an Ada compiler to detect Foo2
> compared to Foo1 (and changing between them is common). Having different
> legality for Foo1 and Foo2 would be annoying at best.
>
> Obviously, detecting Foo3 is even harder for a compiler, but again,
> semantically it is identical to Foo2. So where do you stop? And why?

Simple, the rules must be same as ones for the function return, which 
are exemplarily annoying, nevertheless considered OK.

To the question "where to stop" there is a simple rule:

    no false negatives

Thus is you want to stop at Foo3, the outcome is "illegal" regardless 
Debug value.

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de

  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-06 21:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-05 12:02 Uninitialized out parameters ahlan
2016-04-05 13:17 ` rieachus
2016-04-05 14:07   ` ahlan
2016-04-06  9:45     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 21:01       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-04-07  7:10       ` ahlan
2016-04-05 16:19 ` G.B.
2016-04-06  8:19   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 10:17     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 11:44       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2016-04-06 20:41         ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 20:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 20:47       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:01         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:22           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2016-04-07  7:27             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 11:37 ` AdaMagica
2016-04-06 13:44   ` ahlan
2016-04-06 14:09     ` Mark Lorenzen
2016-04-06 14:10     ` G.B.
2016-04-06 20:53     ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-06 21:03       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-06 21:12       ` Niklas Holsti
2016-04-06 21:30       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-07  9:56         ` Stefan.Lucks
2016-04-07 16:08           ` AdaMagica
2016-04-07 23:02             ` Randy Brukardt
2016-04-08  7:32               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-04-07  7:52       ` Georg Bauhaus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
1996-07-29  0:00 W. Wesley Groleau (Wes)
1996-07-18  0:00 Uninitialized "out" parameters Paul Whittington
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Pascal Obry
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Samuel Tardieu
1996-07-19  0:00     ` John Herro
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Tucker Taft
1996-07-23  0:00         ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Dale Stanbrough
1996-07-19  0:00     ` James A. Squire
1996-07-19  0:00       ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-20  0:00       ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00           ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-21  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-22  0:00             ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00               ` Michael Feldman
1996-07-23  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-19  0:00     ` Adam Beneschan
1996-07-18  0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-19  0:00   ` Peter Amey
1996-07-20  0:00   ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-20  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-21  0:00       ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-21  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-23  0:00           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Theodore E. Dennison
1996-07-24  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Frank Manning
1996-07-25  0:00                   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-26  0:00                     ` Frank Manning
1996-07-23  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1996-07-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-25  0:00               ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1996-07-25  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Michel Gauthier
1996-07-21  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-19  0:00 ` Peter Amey
1996-07-21  0:00 ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00 ` John Herro
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert A Duff
1996-07-23  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1996-07-24  0:00     ` Peter Hermann
1996-07-26  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1996-07-26  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
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