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From: Ted Dennison<dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: ada vs. cpp
Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 18:45:39 GMT
Date: 2001-10-09T18:45:39+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <nBHw7.21930$ev2.30451@www.newsranger.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: WzGw7.186001$w7.28407353@news02.optonline.net

In article <WzGw7.186001$w7.28407353@news02.optonline.net>, Mike Mohr says...
>I don't believe Ada needs a specific pass-by-value or pass-by-reference
>mechanism, and I don't think C++ strings a better than Ada strings.
>I was just playing along ;)

Ahh, sorry. I missed the tounge-in-cheek. My bad.

>It isn't strictly necessary for a C++ programmer to have
>the identical facilities available to an Ada programmer to
>complete a task.  My examples showed this (yet challenges
>continue :).

I'm actually with you on that. C++'s problems are, for the most part, not in
lack of capability.

>Speaking of high level comparisons, I would really like to
>see how Ada does in the great language shootout.
>
>http://www.bagley.org/~doug/shootout/

Considering that he's mostly interested in execution time and memory usage, the
numbers are totally bogus. That issue's come up here several times. If I compile
the "same algorithm" with compiler X and compiler Y, and X is faster, then all
that tells you is that compiler X makes faster executables for this problem than
Y does. It *doesn't* tell you that the language X compiles is somehow inherently
faster than Y's language. Most likely, I could pick compilers W and Z that would
reverse your results language results.

I also find in odd that he refuses to use optimization options. That will
produce atrocious code using gcc (no matter what the front-end).


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  reply	other threads:[~2001-10-09 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 148+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 20:42 ada vs. cpp Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-03 20:56 ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-03 21:07   ` Ralph M�ritz
2001-10-04  5:08     ` Pi
2001-10-04  5:07       ` Ed Falis
2001-10-04  5:13       ` David Starner
2001-10-04 10:57         ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-04 13:18           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04 16:30             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 17:05               ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-05 15:22               ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-06  9:15                 ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-06 11:23                   ` MM
2001-10-06 12:27                     ` Marc A. Criley
2001-10-06 16:53                     ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 13:51                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 14:13                       ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 14:25                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 16:46                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-09 15:10                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 16:17                           ` James Rogers
2001-10-11 12:03                             ` David Botton
2001-10-09 14:43                       ` Robert*
2001-10-09 15:18                         ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 18:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-09 20:37                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:21                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09 16:43                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10  5:18                         ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-10 13:21                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-10 14:15                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22  2:07                             ` David Thompson
2001-10-22 13:35                               ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-22 19:14                                 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2001-10-23  5:40                               ` Richard Riehle
2001-10-09 15:06                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
     [not found]                       ` <9pv2f20jf4@drn.newsguy <3BC3240B.96703A8B@worldnet.att.net>
2001-10-10  5:47                         ` Simon Wright
2001-10-06 22:38                   ` Frode Tennebø
2001-10-06 23:48                     ` mike
2001-10-07  7:31                       ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 14:55                   ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 15:07                     ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 16:34                     ` Robert*
2001-10-08 17:47                       ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-08 18:38                         ` Robert*
2001-10-09 14:56                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 15:20                             ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 16:14                             ` Steven Deller
2001-10-09 16:55                             ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-08 19:19                         ` James Rogers
2001-10-09  8:17                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-09 15:46                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09 17:35                           ` Mike Mohr
2001-10-09 18:45                             ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2001-10-08 18:02                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-09  4:59               ` David Thompson
2001-10-04 13:16         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05  7:50         ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-05 13:31           ` David Starner
2001-10-05 15:34             ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-05 17:49               ` David Starner
2001-10-05 18:54                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-05 22:02                   ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 22:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-06  3:44                   ` David Starner
2001-10-08  8:18             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-08 13:33               ` David Starner
2001-10-09 13:36                 ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-09 15:29                   ` David Starner
2001-10-10 11:01                     ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 11:20                       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 12:14                         ` Robert*
2001-10-10 13:31                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:36                         ` Steven Deller
2001-10-10 14:59                           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-10 15:15                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 15:16                           ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 16:10                             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-11  8:02                               ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-10-10 15:59                         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-10-10 18:50                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  9:28                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-10 14:03                       ` David Starner
2001-10-10 16:40                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-10 17:53                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-10-10 23:11                           ` David Starner
2001-10-11  3:00                             ` James Rogers
2001-10-22  2:10                               ` David Thompson
2001-10-05 13:52           ` James Rogers
2001-10-05 14:28             ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05 14:07           ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16  4:52           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16 10:21             ` Dmitry Kazakov
2001-11-13  2:12               ` David Thompson
2001-11-13 10:21                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-11-13 16:05                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  9:29                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-10-04  6:01       ` mike
2001-10-04  8:42         ` Pi
2001-10-04 12:22           ` James Rogers
2001-10-04 17:50         ` perl Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2001-10-04 19:27           ` perl maa
2001-10-05 12:15             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-04 19:28           ` perl Larry Kilgallen
2001-10-05  7:24           ` perl Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-05 12:38             ` perl Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-06 19:00               ` perl Florian Weimer
2001-10-04 16:26       ` ada vs. cpp Pascal Obry
2001-10-04 18:47         ` David Botton
2001-10-04 22:29         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-10-04 22:31           ` Wes Groleau
2001-10-04 22:52           ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-05 12:43             ` Georg Bauhaus
2001-10-05 13:09               ` Preben Randhol
2001-10-06  1:05         ` Mike Silva
2001-10-04 13:50     ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-03 21:03 ` Marin David Condic
2001-10-04  2:40 ` Jeff
2001-10-05  1:23 ` Adrian Hoe
2001-10-05  4:34   ` mike
2001-10-05  4:42   ` mike
2001-10-05 11:13     ` Adrian Hoe
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-10-12 20:54 Richard Pinkall-Pollei
2001-10-12 21:28 ` Vector..
2001-10-13  7:07   ` Dale Stanbrough
2001-10-14  8:15   ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-15 10:04   ` Nexus
2001-10-15 12:18   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 21:25     ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  2:08       ` David Thompson
2001-10-22  7:04         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-22  7:31           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-11-13  2:12           ` David Thompson
2001-10-16  8:47     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 10:08       ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 11:07         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 12:00           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 19:08           ` Darren New
2001-10-16 15:46         ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 19:31           ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-16 20:13             ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-16 21:42               ` Stephen Leake
2001-10-17  8:37                 ` Florian Weimer
2001-10-17  8:45                   ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-16 13:45       ` Ted Dennison
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-10-16 13:54         ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2001-10-15 13:44   ` Marin David Condic
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