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From: Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ada package registry?
Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2016 23:56:11 +0100
Date: 2016-02-07T23:56:11+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n98hst$kju$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <n987dq$rhu$1@gioia.aioe.org>

On 07.02.16 20:54, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> An access to execute SELECT on a DB table is no different to an ability to view the table in Excel or any other program.


This kind of access is a no-go area in some organisations.
No one, including own employees, may know the names of tables;
or even learn if there is an RDMBS at all. Let alone enjoy the
privileges of learning about the particulars of the databases.

An Excel table is a passive data entity, and a document(!).
It is an entity that is separate from the DBMS and therefore
leaks nothing about the database, and imposes no risk of a broken
security setup. Shit happens, some want to avoid that by putting
databases behind walls.  Database programs will produce documents
to be forwarded, after checking and signing.

You could call these considerations "abstraction" between commercial
entities or other organisations, or individuals.

I'd be very surprised if I could go to my bank and ask
them about their database schema, and be told it! Or ask Google
about the ad network's databases from which they produce the CSVs
that they send, and be given read-only access.

It is at this level of organisational design that I meant to put the
analogy of dropping Ada's "private".  "Body" could mean, by analogy,
that you will get to see something at some interface level, but no bodies!
As a user of the spec, you'd know absolutely nothing about bodies,
compiled or not.

Database schemas, like bodies, can be declared to be part of corporate
property, by the powers that be.

Even interfaces can be part of corporate property: I understand that
some legal initiative is on its way in order to get a decision on whether
a collection of type's interfaces (names, patterns, etc. of a framework)
can be put under copyright law or some such. It takes some effort to produce
one, after all, so the logical consequence from BA theory is obvious:
prevent copying OS interfaces, for example, by disallowing the use of
the same names in APIs.

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-07 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-01-29  1:13 Ada package registry? olivier.henley
2016-01-29  3:43 ` gautier_niouzes
2016-01-29 22:06   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-01-30 17:21     ` Dirk Heinrichs
2016-01-29 14:20 ` David Botton
2016-01-29 22:27 ` Randy Brukardt
2016-01-30  7:35   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-01-30 22:14     ` Tero Koskinen
2016-01-31  7:51       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-01-31 15:52         ` Mart van de Wege
2016-01-31 16:21           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-01-31 19:16             ` olivier.henley
2016-02-01 23:22       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-05 19:52         ` Tero Koskinen
2016-02-05 20:42           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-06  1:25           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-06  6:09             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-02-08 22:54               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-06 23:08             ` AdaMagica
2016-02-07  7:08             ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-07  8:50             ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-08 22:58               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-07 10:24             ` gautier_niouzes
2016-01-31 19:10 ` olivier.henley
2016-02-02  0:44   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-02 18:45     ` Shark8
2016-02-02 20:14       ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-02 20:46         ` Shark8
2016-02-02 21:32           ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-03  4:21             ` Shark8
2016-02-03  9:39               ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-02 22:51       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-03  4:16         ` Shark8
2016-02-01  8:30 ` Thomas Løcke
2016-02-01  9:32   ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-02  8:54     ` Thomas Løcke
2016-02-02 14:51       ` jsquirek
2016-02-02 18:25         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-02 20:05         ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-02 20:58         ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-02 23:06       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-03  7:15         ` Pascal Obry
2016-02-03 22:11           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-04  6:51             ` Pascal Obry
2016-02-04 20:52               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-05  7:11                 ` Pascal Obry
2016-02-06  1:11                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-04  9:05             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-04  9:20               ` Mark Carroll
2016-02-04 12:58               ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2016-02-04 21:03               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-05  8:31                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-04 16:52             ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-04 16:59               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-04 17:29                 ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-04 21:21                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-04 22:04                     ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-05  8:51                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-05 22:06                         ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-06  0:30                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-06 23:26                         ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-07  0:16                           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-02-07  8:02                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07  8:36                               ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-07  8:52                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 10:06                                   ` gautier_niouzes
2016-02-07 10:23                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 20:02                                       ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-08  8:19                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 10:00                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-07 10:18                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 19:27                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-07 19:47                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-07 19:54                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 22:56                                       ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2016-02-08  8:22                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 20:11                                 ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-07 22:11                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-08  8:16                                     ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-07 19:57                               ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-08  8:25                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-08 22:42                               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-07 20:07                             ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-08  8:38                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-08 18:24                                 ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-08 22:38                           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-09 20:56                             ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-05 12:54                     ` G.B.
2016-02-05 13:27                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-05 15:53                         ` G.B.
2016-02-05 16:45                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-05 17:58                             ` G.B.
2016-02-05 18:47                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07  9:40                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-07 10:13                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 19:21                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-07 19:57                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-07 22:16                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-08  8:20                                           ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-08  9:03                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-08 10:08                                             ` G.B.
2016-02-08 13:42                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-06  0:49                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-07  8:42                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2016-02-04 21:09               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-05  8:59                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-06  0:04                   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-06  8:54                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-08 23:02                       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-09  8:50                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-11  1:37                           ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-11  8:25                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2016-02-11 22:00                               ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-06 18:48 ` olivier.henley
2016-02-09  0:05   ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-09  3:50     ` Shark8
2016-02-11  1:40       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-09  8:04     ` Thomas Løcke
2016-02-09 13:33       ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2016-02-09 14:58         ` Shark8
2016-02-11  1:46         ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-11  5:19           ` Shark8
2016-02-09 18:08       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-02-09 21:00         ` Shark8
2016-02-09 21:07     ` Björn Lundin
2016-02-09 21:31       ` Shark8
2016-02-09 23:47         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2016-02-10  5:10         ` J-P. Rosen
2016-02-11  1:51       ` Randy Brukardt
2016-02-12 16:05 ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
2016-02-13  5:42   ` olivier.henley
2016-02-13 12:20     ` Alejandro R. Mosteo
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