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From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Concatenation and Characters
Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 17:22:14 +0200
Date: 2002-10-21T17:22:14+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n658ru0mdrqfl6d4k3f9htvkfcku64muok@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3ZTs9.1528$Bd4.11780@dfw-service2.ext.raytheon.com

On Mon, 21 Oct 2002 09:13:53 -0500, Wes Groleau
<wesgroleau@despammed.com> wrote:

>Dmitry A.Kazakov wrote:
>> Then the language shall require them to be either initialized or 
>> *explicitly* specified as uninitialized:
>
>It already does:
>
>    O : Some_Type;             -- explicitly uninitialized
>    O : Some_Type := Default;  -- explicitly initialized
>
>It's fairly obvious which is which, and there is no third option
>that I know of.

Computer is a deterministic system, so one could claim that everything
is explicit. I would not count

O : Some_Type;

for an explicit specification that O is uninitialized.

1. In case of controlled, access, task, protected object types, O *is*
initialized.

2. In any case the syntax form for an uninitialized variable should be
no shorter than another (safer) one. For example:

O : Some_Type := <>;

or

O : Some_Type with null;

>> procedure Foo (X : out Integer := 23);
>
>That's obviously explicitly initialized.

The point is that *maybe* 

procedure Foo (X : out Integer);

should be made illegal for types which have no reasonable initial
value, because there is a possibility that X will be left unset. If it
is a desired behavior then probably it would be better to make it
clear from the specification.

>> function Foo returns Integer := 23;
>
>You're saying that instead raising program_error for failing to hit
>a return statement we should look to a default result on the spec?

Raising an exception is a run-time fault, which is usually too late. 

As for looking in spec, well, for what ever reason Ada requires that
all defaults be repeated in the bodies (:-))

---
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
www.dmitry-kazakov.de



  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-21 15:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-10 14:50 Concatenation and Characters Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 14:55 ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 15:04   ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 15:22     ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 15:30       ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 16:05         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-10 16:07         ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 17:45         ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-10 15:32       ` Justin Birtwell
2002-10-10 15:36         ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-10 16:44         ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-10 17:45           ` Stephen Leake
2002-10-10 21:53             ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-18 17:03           ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-18 18:13             ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-18 18:36             ` Wes Groleau
2002-10-21 15:16               ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-18 21:33             ` Mark Biggar
2002-10-20  2:01               ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-10-21 14:13                 ` Wes Groleau
2002-10-21 15:22                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2002-10-21 19:38                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-22 22:15                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-10-22 12:05                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-22 12:19                           ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-22 14:43                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-23  8:39                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23 14:39                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-24  8:18                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-21 16:50                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-10-21 15:20             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-10-21 17:51               ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-21 18:48                 ` Jim Rogers
2002-10-21 19:44                   ` tmoran
2002-10-21 20:42                   ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-22  1:42                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-22 14:37                       ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-22 18:51                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23  7:01                         ` Pascal Obry
2002-10-22 14:45                       ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-22 18:47                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-22 21:31                         ` Robert A Duff
     [not found]                         ` <3DB59D75.20609 <wccd6q29n3l.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-10-23  2:02                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23 13:16                             ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-23 19:11                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-23 15:24                             ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-23 19:24                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2002-10-24  0:33                                 ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-22  3:46                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-10-22 14:48                       ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-22 15:02                         ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-22 15:38                           ` David C. Hoos
2002-10-22 15:44                             ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-22 16:13                         ` Robert A Duff
2002-10-23  8:58                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23  9:08                             ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-23  9:34                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-23 10:10                                 ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2002-10-23 17:15                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2002-10-24  8:41                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2002-10-24  9:25                                   ` Fraser Wilson
2002-10-24 14:13                                     ` Matthew Heaney
     [not found]                         ` <un <wcc7kgazc20.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com>
2002-10-22 16:46                           ` David C. Hoos
2002-10-22  8:51                   ` Stuart Palin
2002-10-22 18:56                     ` Programmer Dude
2002-10-21 19:42                 ` Georg Bauhaus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-10-11  5:04 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-11 10:30 ` Preben Randhol
2002-10-23  5:15 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-23 13:19 ` Matthew Heaney
2002-10-24  5:53 Grein, Christoph
2002-10-24 14:04 ` Matthew Heaney
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