From: Dmitry A. Kazakov <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: Question about OO programming in Ada
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2003 09:43:18 +0100
Date: 2003-12-05T09:43:18+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <n5g0tvkokam3crf0km7rtrifs7ehs7ob2e@4ax.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: kb6dneVfAq1-OlKi4p2dnA@comcast.com
On Thu, 04 Dec 2003 16:32:17 -0500, "Robert I. Eachus"
<rieachus@comcast.net> wrote:
>Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>> On Wed, 03 Dec 2003 20:23:53 -0500, "Robert I. Eachus"
>> <rieachus@comcast.net> wrote:
> > This would
> > not be necessary if finalization of the type Pointer called
> > deallocator in addition to a call to Finalize.
>
>Think about this for a second, because there is a germ of a good idea
>here. For access types for which assignment is valid, such a rule would
>be a disaster. For example you don't want the next record in a linked
>list, and for that matter all of the rest of the list, deallocated if
>you remove an item from a list.
This actually is an argument against controlled-ness. I see little
sense in taking any actions upon access type finalization. This rule
imposes a non-zero run-time burden with practically zero gain.
>However, in my example above, the
>Object_Ref type is declared as limited. What if we had true limited
>access types?
>
>type Pointer is limited access Object;
>
>For such a type deallocating the designated memory when the Pointer
>object goes away would make sense. I just don't think it is a necessary
>language extension since it is so easy to create the abstraction when
>needed. (And besides, there are many cases where you want the type to
>appear limited to users, but where you actually want to do assignment in
>the package body.)
I think that a real solution is to provide proper construction /
destruction for *all* types. Should we have it, then the problem could
be reduced to developing constructors / destructor of a given access
type. This would allow a user to create any sort of garbage collection
scheme he wants, instead of forcing compiler vendors to implement more
and more sophisticated constructions.
--
Regards,
Dmitry Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de
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2003-11-25 19:04 Question about OO programming in Ada Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-25 20:17 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-11-26 0:34 ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26 6:17 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-11-26 9:29 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-11-26 15:54 ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 20:07 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-11-26 21:36 ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 8:56 ` Peter Hermann
2003-11-25 20:55 ` Martin Krischik
2003-11-26 0:22 ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26 1:00 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-26 16:36 ` Martin Krischik
2003-11-26 18:09 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-27 13:45 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2003-11-25 21:48 ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 0:01 ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-26 1:16 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-26 15:10 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-11-26 15:48 ` Stephen Leake
2003-11-26 16:24 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-11-26 17:58 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-27 2:10 ` Ekkehard Morgenstern
2003-11-27 10:15 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-11-27 18:35 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-11-28 4:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-11-28 7:28 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-11-28 8:46 ` Dale Stanbrough
2003-11-28 10:16 ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2003-12-01 15:57 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-01 16:47 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 18:35 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-01 21:13 ` Jeffrey Carter
2003-12-02 8:47 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 9:29 ` Pascal Obry
2003-12-03 11:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 12:49 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-12-03 13:41 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 14:11 ` Ludovic Brenta
2003-12-03 14:45 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 15:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 16:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-03 18:20 ` David C. Hoos
[not found] ` <28eb01c3b9ca$25b18870$b101a8c0@sy.com>
2003-12-03 18:35 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 20:05 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-12-03 20:57 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 21:16 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-03 22:04 ` Pascal Obry
2003-12-03 22:34 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04 1:23 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-04 7:15 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04 17:43 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2003-12-04 8:55 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-04 19:13 ` Randy Brukardt
2003-12-04 19:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-04 21:32 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-05 8:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2003-11-27 22:12 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-11-28 6:37 ` Simon Wright
2003-11-30 2:51 ` Robert I. Eachus
2003-12-06 7:48 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-06 13:33 ` Jeff C,
2003-12-06 22:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07 3:02 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-07 7:53 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07 15:34 ` James Rogers
2003-12-07 18:30 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-07 20:25 ` James Rogers
2003-12-08 3:36 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 4:42 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 8:42 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 9:34 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 13:25 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 15:05 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 4:38 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 8:19 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 13:29 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 14:36 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 15:05 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 15:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-09 16:41 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-10 11:32 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-10 15:27 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-10 17:15 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 17:55 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 23:09 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 8:26 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2003-12-08 19:33 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-09 4:41 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 17:27 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 18:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-08 19:27 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-08 19:36 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09 4:43 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 23:23 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 19:25 ` Martin Krischik
2003-12-07 21:29 ` Peter C. Chapin
2003-12-08 3:44 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 3:46 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 5:54 ` James Rogers
2003-12-08 8:45 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-07 17:39 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-08 23:39 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 2:36 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09 4:52 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-09 11:24 ` Georg Bauhaus
2003-12-09 18:42 ` Chad Bremmon
2003-12-09 20:11 ` Hyman Rosen
2003-12-08 23:40 ` Hyman Rosen
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