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From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de>
Subject: Re: for S'Image use Func??
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 09:48:18 +0200
Date: 2010-05-16T09:48:17+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mur1furkb6j2.18clgv1vvrefo.dlg@40tude.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 66e2a4b1-2784-4c60-8e6a-2237c7f7b477@r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com

On Sat, 15 May 2010 13:50:47 -0700 (PDT), Maciej Sobczak wrote:

> On 15 Maj, 10:35, "Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mail...@dmitry-kazakov.de>
> wrote:
> 
>> Do you want to say that text files are Turing complete? (:-)) Maybe they
>> are. Maybe they are not. Consider an experiment. Let us generate random
>> files containing CRs, LFs and other characters. Show the file to several
>> people asking them to count lines...
> 
> Wrong, unless you clearly define the meaning of "show".

That is the point! Show is in each other's head. Some would consider single
LF as one empty line, others as two, and some as a broken file.

> And if you give me the freedom to choose my rendering scheme, it will
> be:
> 
> $ cat -n file.txt

It does not work under Windows. As you said about VMS, why should I care
what a non-existent hobbyist's OS does? (:-))

>>> If you stick to the concept of "text" as defined by Text_IO
>>> (completely unstructured sequence of lines), then effectively the only
>>> use-case that you will cover without problems is... config files.
>>
>> + source codes, which nicely covers 90% of my tasks.
> 
> Fine. You still forgot about log files. :-)

I don't use UNIX, remember. Our log files are binary. (Trace files are
texts.)

>> I don't need Ada.Document_IO.
> 
> Me neither. I'm perfectly OK with the stream I/O.

Yes, you stream graphical minutes, as you said...

>>> The C++ source code is not a text for me.
>>
>> Then you shall not use text editors with it.
> 
> I don't. I use programmer's editors, also known as IDEs, with it.

IDE is a front end to a text editor. You still need a text to print, store,
pass to the compiler.

>> You could say: it
>> ends when blocked. Not very nice, but, in fact, widely used in network
>> communication protocols.
> 
> Widely? An example or two, please?

Any. You cannot rely on the remote host always sending you graceful
disconnect. Many devices we are dealing with don't even have such thing.
They just become silent.

As a practical example, load some large text page into the browser. Before
it completes, in the middle, pull the Etherenet jack out. Observe the
stream end!

-- 
Regards,
Dmitry A. Kazakov
http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de



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Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-06 17:10 for S'Image use Func?? Warren
2010-05-06 17:23 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-06 20:05   ` Warren
2010-05-06 17:58 ` Adam Beneschan
2010-05-06 19:52   ` Warren
2010-05-07  8:12     ` stefan-lucks
2010-05-08  5:26       ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-10 15:16       ` Charmed Snark
2010-05-07  2:10   ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 18:24     ` Keith Thompson
2010-05-06 18:14 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-06 20:04   ` Warren
2010-05-06 20:19     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 20:56       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-06 21:11         ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07  8:40           ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-07 12:21             ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 13:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-07 14:25                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 15:46                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 17:38                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07 20:15                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:28                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-07 21:16                           ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 22:18                             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-09  0:06                               ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-09  0:31                                 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-07 20:31                     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 20:51                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 21:07                         ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:25                       ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 22:16                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-10 15:48                   ` Warren
2010-05-10 16:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 16:52                       ` Warren
2010-05-10 17:55                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 18:50                           ` Warren
2010-05-10 19:20                             ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-10 20:16                               ` Warren
2010-05-10 20:38                                 ` Simon Wright
2010-05-10 20:52                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:38                                     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-11 18:19                                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:36                                       ` Warren
2010-05-11  7:34                                 ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11  7:56                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:56                                     ` Warren
2010-05-13 18:53                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11 16:49                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11  8:26                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11  9:49                               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-11 17:06                                 ` Warren
2010-05-12  5:00                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-12 14:39                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 16:52                                       ` Warren
2010-05-13 18:20                                     ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-17 10:00                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-20  9:31                                         ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-21  6:56                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2010-05-11 14:27                               ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-11 15:03                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 15:45                                   ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 15:23                               ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 16:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 17:05                               ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:54                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:50                                   ` Charmed Snark
2010-05-11 19:03                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:53                                   ` Warren
2010-05-10 20:56                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 20:24                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-11  7:42                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 21:30                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2010-05-11  8:35                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 13:35                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 14:24                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:18                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 21:46                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 13:16                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-12 14:33                                           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-12 15:58                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 22:14                                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-13  7:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-13 13:16                                                 ` Warren
2010-05-14 21:03                                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-15  8:35                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-15 20:50                                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-16  7:48                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov [this message]
2010-05-16 20:56                                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-16 21:31                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 15:56                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 17:15                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 18:48                                     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 22:24                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11  7:58                               ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-11 15:54                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 20:23                                   ` Maciej Sobczak
2010-05-10 22:39                             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 17:17                               ` Warren
2010-05-11 17:59                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 20:56                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 22:06                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-12 13:27                                       ` Warren
2010-05-12 16:03                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-11 18:57                                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-11 21:08                                   ` Warren
2010-05-11 19:56                               ` Gautier write-only
2010-05-12 13:33                                 ` Warren
2010-05-07 15:35                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:33                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:27                     ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 21:36                       ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 22:09                       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-09  0:17                         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 19:56               ` J-P. Rosen
2010-05-07 20:14                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 20:17                 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:41                   ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 21:20         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-10 15:26       ` Ada & gdb (was: for S'Image use Func??) Warren
2010-05-10 18:02         ` John B. Matthews
2010-05-10 19:52           ` Warren
2010-05-06 22:33     ` for S'Image use Func?? Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-06 23:22       ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07  2:17         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 12:27           ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 15:19             ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-07 20:19               ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:11             ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-10 16:05             ` Warren
2010-05-19  6:26               ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07 15:21           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 16:03       ` Warren
2010-05-06 18:50 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2010-05-06 19:50   ` Warren
2010-05-06 20:22     ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-06 21:25       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07  2:20         ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07  7:28           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2010-05-07 10:15         ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-07 15:07           ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-08  5:38             ` Stephen Leake
2010-05-07 19:29           ` Simon Wright
2010-05-07 20:10             ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 19:44               ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-07 20:53                 ` Robert A Duff
2010-05-07 21:59               ` Simon Wright
2010-05-09  0:20                 ` Randy Brukardt
2010-05-07  8:53 ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-10 16:18   ` Warren
2010-05-10 17:54     ` Georg Bauhaus
2010-05-10 19:57       ` Warren
2010-05-10 19:09     ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2010-05-10 20:01       ` Warren
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