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From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: Ada design bug or GNAT bug?
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 19:53:20 -0500
Date: 2015-07-04T19:53:20-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mn9v61$v6v$1@loke.gir.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1myo335gjwyy3$.1bthq0cugahll.dlg@40tude.net

"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
news:1myo335gjwyy3$.1bthq0cugahll.dlg@40tude.net...
> On Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:11:18 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
...
>> But of course that breaks privacy: T4 knows nothing about the full type 
>> of
>> T3 or any private operations it may have.
>
> There are a lot of other cases where you effectively unable to derive from
> a type. Since they are not counted privacy breach, this one shouldn't
> either.

There are? I can't think of any. Ada 95 had an accessibility check, but 
that's gone in more recent versions of the language.

Of course, I hardly ever use derived types other than for extension. Like 
interfaces, the other uses come up so rarely that they aren't worth worrying 
about. So I may have just forgotten something.

> In my view the problem is not in T4 but in T3, like in all other cases 
> when
> you would not be able to derive later. So my solution would be a mandatory
> declaration of the public view as final. E.g.
>
> package P2 is
>   type T3 is new T1 with private; -- Illegal, no derived types possible
> private
>   type T3 is new T2 with null record;
> end P2;
>
> package P2 is
>   type T3 is new T1 with private
>       with Childless => True; -- Legal, this is the last public descendant
> private
>   type T3 is new T2 with null record;
> end P2;
>
> Now, T4 cannot claim knowing nothing.

Fine idea for Ada 9x, but way too late nowdays. We're not going to break 50% 
of the existing Ada code...

                                             Randy.


  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-05  0:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-20 18:55 Ada design bug or GNAT bug? Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-21  2:42 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-21  6:47   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-22 17:39     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-22 18:16       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 11:00         ` G.B.
2015-06-23 14:27           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 11:45         ` G.B.
2015-06-23 14:30           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-02 22:22         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-03  8:02           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-03 17:33             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-03 21:34               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-04  3:11                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 12:14                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:53                     ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2015-06-22 18:27       ` Shark8
2015-06-23 11:51         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 19:55           ` Shark8
2015-06-23 13:06         ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 14:30           ` David Botton
2015-06-23 15:57             ` Niklas Holsti
2015-06-23 16:01               ` G.B.
2015-06-23 18:05               ` David Botton
2015-06-23 19:38               ` David Botton
2015-06-23 14:38           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 16:57             ` Vincent
2015-06-23 17:15               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 19:14                 ` vincent.diemunsch
2015-06-23 19:33                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-23 17:42           ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-07-02 22:06           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04  1:52             ` Shark8
2015-07-04  3:24               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 11:02                 ` Build-in-place semantics? (Was: Ada design bug or GNAT bug?) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-07-04 12:15                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:45                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-05  7:10                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-07-05  0:40                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-04 14:05                 ` Ada design bug or GNAT bug? Bob Duff
2015-07-04  7:46               ` Simon Wright
2015-07-04 12:00                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-07-05  0:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-06 12:37             ` Vincent
2015-07-06 20:05               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-07-07  8:06               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
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