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From: "Nasser M. Abbasi" <nma@12000.org>
Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it?
Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 18:12:10 -0500
Date: 2015-06-04T18:12:10-05:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mkqm08$vr8$1@speranza.aioe.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 71dbdcc7-5cbc-45e2-8290-54c52780d24a@googlegroups.com

On 6/4/2015 3:14 PM, Shark8 wrote:
> On Thursday, June 4, 2015 at 11:23:51 AM UTC-6, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>
>> It is because nothing interesting happened since 1995. We are living
>> through the Dark Ages of computing...
>
> I blame the popularity of C/C++ and *nix.

In software, inertia is everything. Once something takes hold, it is
very hard to impossible to change it or replace it, due to the huge
inertia it has and the amount of investment made in it. For example,
almost all software games are in C/C++, it is almost impossible to make
the industry change this now.

> Perhaps the best things to come out of the FP domain is (a) a more widespread
>disdain for C's fast/loose typing,

Well, it seems most of the new and popular languages these days are
based on loose typing. Python? duck typing? Javascript? PHP? Perl? etc...

Who needs strong typing, when there is a good debugger?  :)

>(b) the realization that global state and side-effects can/should be
>avoided when possible, and (c) the realization that C language-family
>syntax is not indicative of "a real programming language".
>

--Nasser

  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-04 23:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-21 19:11 Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it? Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-21 19:29 ` AdaMagica
2015-05-22  7:27   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-22  7:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22  8:54   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-22 11:29 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 12:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 14:01     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 14:34       ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:09         ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-22 15:37       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 16:29         ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 17:39           ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 17:51             ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 19:41               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 20:04                 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 20:32                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-22 21:22                     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:14                     ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-23 12:42                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-23 17:48                         ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25  8:34                           ` Pascal Obry
2015-05-25 10:22                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25 18:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22 20:39                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 22:33                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  6:56                       ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-23 12:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25  7:14                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 12:26                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 18:44                       ` Shark8
2015-05-25 19:54                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 21:25                           ` Shark8
2015-05-26  7:46                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:12                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 20:01                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:04                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:37                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26  7:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-26 11:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26 15:38                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 23:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  8:51                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-05-29 18:04                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-29 21:51                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-30 10:28                                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 11:12                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 13:21                                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 15:00                                               ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-30 18:40                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 16:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 20:52                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-31  8:31                                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-31  8:52                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 15:31                                                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-06-04 17:23                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 20:14                                                         ` Shark8
2015-06-04 23:12                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi [this message]
2015-06-01 21:36                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-04 15:22                                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-27 13:41                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 23:05                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-26  8:01                               ` Sylvain Laperche
2015-05-26  8:20                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:49                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 12:36                                   ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-26 13:39                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 14:21                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-26 16:19                                       ` Shark8
2015-05-26 20:51                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 17:11                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-28 23:49                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 21:54                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 22:32                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-26  8:17                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-28 22:46                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-28 23:18                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-29 21:27                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  7:55                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:27                           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 10:23                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 12:01                               ` G.B.
2015-05-29 13:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 15:32                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 15:57                               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:31                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-29 10:37                           ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 10:56                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-05-29 12:03                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-29 21:00                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 20:57                           ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:36                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-01 22:20                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:45                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 23:12                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-30  9:10                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-23 13:01                 ` Luke A. Guest
2015-05-22 17:57             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 18:31               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:03     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:21       ` David Botton
2015-05-22 15:23         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:31       ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 15:48         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:25     ` G.B.
2015-05-22 15:04     ` Bill White
2015-05-22 15:28     ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 17:46       ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 18:16         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 19:41             ` jan.de.kruyf
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