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From: Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid>
Subject: Re: Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it?
Date: Sat, 30 May 2015 11:10:16 +0200
Date: 2015-05-30T11:10:16+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mkbune$cjm$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.CYG.2.11.1505291907500.5264@WIL414CHAPIN.vtc.vsc.edu>

On 30.05.15 01:12, Peter Chapin wrote:
> Now they are stuck with maintaining two incompatible versions of the language into the arbitrary future.

Ruby and Perl got stuck too, here and there. One of the causes being
when their string type was relying on C's char.  At some point, the
eighth's bit became meaningful, encoding and better types needing
support in the language. (Just consider C's 127 + 1 if CHAR_BIT is 8,
and dynamically linked libraries being used.)  One effect on Python
is that programmers cannot easily use many libraries that were built
with 7 bit I/O in mind.

Python's creator Guido van Rossum has left Google, so maybe Google
will use their own Go language now, Python loosing a sponsor.


 From the technical point of view:

    12345.67e9

does not make a programmer think about encoding of numeric literals,
does it? Whereas "π" does, in all sorts of ways. While programmers do
need numbers all the time, the same is perhaps not true about text.

So, possibly computer scientists have created a huge language problem
by building on the assumption that "text stuff", rarely needed as it
is, is just like numeric literals.

    But "'A'" /= "65 ". Dammit!


  reply	other threads:[~2015-05-30  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-21 19:11 Build language with weak typing, then add scaffolding later to strengthen it? Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-21 19:29 ` AdaMagica
2015-05-22  7:27   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-22  7:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22  8:54   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-22 11:29 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 12:57   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 14:01     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 14:34       ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:09         ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-22 15:37       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 16:29         ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 17:39           ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 17:51             ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 19:41               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-22 20:04                 ` kalvin.news
2015-05-22 20:32                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-22 21:22                     ` kalvin.news
2015-05-23 11:14                     ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-23 12:42                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-23 17:48                         ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25  8:34                           ` Pascal Obry
2015-05-25 10:22                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-25 18:12                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-22 20:39                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 22:33                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  6:56                       ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-23 12:40                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25  7:14                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 12:26                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 18:44                       ` Shark8
2015-05-25 19:54                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 21:25                           ` Shark8
2015-05-26  7:46                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:12                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-25 20:01                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:04                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-25 20:37                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26  7:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-26 11:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-26 15:38                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-28 23:39                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  8:51                                     ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-05-29 18:04                                       ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-29 21:51                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-30 10:28                                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 11:12                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 13:21                                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 15:00                                               ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-30 18:40                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-30 16:40                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-30 20:52                                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-31  8:31                                                   ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-31  8:52                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 15:31                                                     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-06-04 17:23                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-06-04 20:14                                                         ` Shark8
2015-06-04 23:12                                                           ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-06-01 21:36                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-04 15:22                                                   ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-27 13:41                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-25 23:05                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-26  8:01                               ` Sylvain Laperche
2015-05-26  8:20                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-26  8:49                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 12:36                                   ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-26 13:39                                     ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 14:21                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-05-26 16:19                                       ` Shark8
2015-05-26 20:51                                         ` J-P. Rosen
2015-05-26 17:11                                   ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-28 23:49                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 21:54                                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 22:32                                         ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2015-05-26  8:17                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-05-28 22:46                       ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-28 23:18                         ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2015-05-29 21:27                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29  7:55                         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:27                           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 10:23                             ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 12:01                               ` G.B.
2015-05-29 13:43                                 ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 15:32                             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-29 15:57                               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29  9:31                         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-05-29 10:37                           ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-29 10:56                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-05-29 12:03                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-29 21:00                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 20:57                           ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:36                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-06-01 22:20                               ` Shark8
2015-05-29 21:45                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-05-29 23:12                             ` Peter Chapin
2015-05-30  9:10                               ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2015-05-23 13:01                 ` Luke A. Guest
2015-05-22 17:57             ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 18:31               ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:03     ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:21       ` David Botton
2015-05-22 15:23         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 15:31       ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 15:48         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 14:25     ` G.B.
2015-05-22 15:04     ` Bill White
2015-05-22 15:28     ` Bob Duff
2015-05-22 17:46       ` Simon Clubley
2015-05-22 18:16         ` jan.de.kruyf
2015-05-22 19:01           ` Simon Wright
2015-05-22 19:41             ` jan.de.kruyf
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