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From: mheaney@ni.net (Matthew Heaney)
Subject: Re: Equality operator overloading in ADA 83
Date: 1997/04/24
Date: 1997-04-24T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mheaney-ya023680002404971929220001@news.ni.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 335F5971.6375@elca-matrix.ch


In article <335F5971.6375@elca-matrix.ch>, Mats.Weber@elca-matrix.ch wrote:

>I think that the argument of backward compatibility with Ada 83 is not
>that important (just my opinion). I think that if someone redefines an
>operator for a type, then he probably has a good reason to do so, and
>that operator becomes part of the abstraction provided by that type and
>must stick with it wherever the types goes, with no exception.

And this time I agree with you 100%.  With respect to redefining equality,
if introducing a backwards incompatibility was the price for always having
the overriding version get called, then so be it.

Alas, I wasn't on the design commitee, and they made a different choice. 
Oh, well.  They're smart guys, and they had their reasons.

To remember that predefined equality re-emerges when a bounded_string is a
record or array componant is to a lot (too much, I say) to ask the average
programmer. 
Most programmers don't know that predefined operators even in Ada 83
re-emerge for a type passed as a generic actual, so what magic is supposed
to happen to make them aware of the re-emergence of predefined equality in
Ada 95?

This whole issue of re-emergence of operators is something I really wish no
Ada programmer ever had to think about, and it will only contribute to the
perception (reality?) of Ada as a "complex language."  My Prognistication
is that this will be a pernicious source of error in Ada 95 systems.

At a minimum we should guarantee that predefined types - such as
Ada.Strings.Bounded.Bounded_String - are composable.  Because it would be
very naive to think that a tired programmer who has been furiously working
all weekend, and is still hacking away at 11:30 Sunday night because he has
a code delivery Monday morning, is going to be even remotely thinking about
when predefined equality re-emerges.  So let's solve his problem so that he
_never_does_ have to think about it, by guaranteeing that Bounded_String is
composable.  

The whole point of a high level language is so that the programmer
_doesn't_ have to think about those things.  He should be thinking about
the problem, not the solution.  We have to remove programming language as a
barrior to the production of correct software systems.

Gee, I think I'm beginning to sound like someone else.  Bertrand, are you
listening?

Matt

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  parent reply	other threads:[~1997-04-24  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 114+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
1997-04-21  0:00 Equality operator overloading in ADA 83 Manuel Wenger
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-29  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-23  0:00           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00             ` Mats Weber
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-24  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Nick Roberts
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-04  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-05  0:00                               ` Mats Weber
1997-05-05  0:00                                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-06  0:00                                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-06  0:00                                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-07  0:00                                     ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-05  0:00                               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                               ` Simon Wright
1997-04-29  0:00                                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
     [not found]                           ` <01bc571c$01f3ffc0$5de2b8cd@p5120.bda>
1997-05-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-27  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-28  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-05-01  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Mats Weber
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-27  0:00                 ` Geert Bosch
1997-04-24  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-29  0:00                 ` Mats Weber
1997-04-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Tucker Taft
1997-05-02  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-05-03  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-01  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-22  0:00       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-22  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-23  0:00       ` Mats Weber
1997-04-23  0:00         ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-28  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-04-29  0:00                     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-24  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-24  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-25  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-25  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-26  0:00             ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-26  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-05-02  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1997-05-04  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-04-26  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-04-27  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Philip Brashear
1997-04-22  0:00 ` Kevin Cline
1997-04-22  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-04-24  0:00   ` Keith Thompson
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