From: Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt>
To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org
Subject: Re: GWindows and a future home for it
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2004 14:01:56 +0100
Date: 2004-10-04T14:01:56+01:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <mailman.182.1096894933.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cjpveo$n6o$1@a1-hrz.uni-duisburg.de>
Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> Marius Amado Alves <amado.alves@netcabo.pt> wrote:
> :> And then, GPL and commercial or not are two dimensions.
> :
> : I wish people would stop saying this as if it were feasible to sell open
> : source software.
>
> I didn't say that you could sell Free Software, only that licensed
> source code and commercial source code are two different aspects.
Two dimensions, different aspects, these words imply that you can have
any combination of {open, close} * {free, charged} (one of them being
the unfeasible open and charged, unfeasible because the minute you open
it, someone will put a copy for free on the Internet, bye bye business).
> Still, GPLed software plays its part in commercial
> software enterprises. Other open source licenses do and did work
> in commercial software enterprises.
> It just takes either reason,
> or enough laywers, to explain to customers that source code /=
> "gift", unless the contract says so.
No, by the contrary, once they understand exactly open source licenses,
changes increase they'll look for a "free ride" first.
> If people continue to say that delivering source code cannot be
> done when payment is wanted, it becomes a kind of self-fulfilling
> prophesy, I think.
No, the problem is rooted at open source treatment of code like a
physical object.
> I find it important to spread the news (huh!) that
> producing software is work; people are familiar with the idea of
> paying craftspeople; software producers aren't too different from
> craftspeople; so, pay them.
Absolutely. This is the spirit of the SDC alternative.
> Some companies do know this, so when
> they need X they pay other companies' developers who produce X,
> using an open source license.
Seldom.
> Not everyone is an opportunistic free rider.
Everyone wants to cut down expenditures.
> It may still take some time to realize that open source software needs
> maintenance.
No, people are not unaware of that, they simply can get it for free.
Right now the connection to Ada is thin, so please continue discussion
in the SDC forum or privately.
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2004-09-29 2:48 GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-29 2:53 ` stephane richard
2004-09-29 7:20 ` Martin Krischik
2004-09-29 12:40 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-29 15:21 ` stephane richard
2004-09-29 19:12 ` Chris Humphries
2004-09-30 0:03 ` Stephen Leake
2004-09-30 1:39 ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 3:29 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
[not found] ` <mailman.141.1096581654.390.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org>
2004-09-30 23:32 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 1:28 ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01 1:39 ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 6:43 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
[not found] ` <umzz75se6.fsf@acm.org>
2004-10-01 10:48 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 14:49 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01 15:39 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-01 15:50 ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:25 ` Chris Humphries
2004-10-01 17:09 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 17:12 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 18:02 ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-21 21:11 ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22 2:36 ` Coupling or not coupling database and GUI libraries (was: GWindows and a future home for it) David Botton
2004-10-02 2:01 ` GWindows and a future home for it Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-09-30 14:40 ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 15:22 ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 19:52 ` Nick Roberts
2004-09-30 16:55 ` tmoran
2004-09-30 22:17 ` Stephen McNeill
2004-09-30 22:48 ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 16:34 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-01 16:58 ` AndreS
2004-10-01 18:08 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-01 18:16 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 23:20 ` tmoran
2004-10-02 0:45 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-10-03 17:23 ` David Botton
2004-10-04 22:10 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 18:40 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-03 22:45 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-04 13:01 ` Marius Amado Alves [this message]
2004-10-04 21:05 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-06 10:13 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 13:15 ` David Botton
2004-10-06 14:35 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 15:07 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 17:04 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:53 ` Licenses and physical things Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:02 ` GWindows and a future home for it Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 18:39 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 18:58 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 19:20 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 20:30 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 21:28 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 21:40 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-07 11:50 ` Marin David Condic
2004-10-07 14:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-06 13:19 ` Gnat Pro and the GPL Björn Persson
2004-10-06 17:16 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 17:55 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 18:18 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-10-06 19:02 ` Hyman Rosen
2004-10-06 20:25 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-07 6:07 ` Florian Weimer
2004-10-07 16:00 ` Björn Persson
2004-10-06 22:21 ` CBFalconer
2004-10-06 18:04 ` Hyman Rosen
[not found] ` <4163C54F.9050700@netcabo.pt>
2004-10-07 0:27 ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-07 0:55 ` stephane richard
2004-10-07 19:11 ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08 2:07 ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-08 16:50 ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-08 17:26 ` Jeff C r e e.m
2004-10-09 2:27 ` Brian May
2004-10-09 11:14 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-10-09 5:16 ` CBFalconer
2004-10-09 9:57 ` Jerry van Dijk
2004-10-08 5:53 ` Not redistributing GNAT Pro (was: GWindows and a home for it) Simon Wright
2004-10-01 23:57 ` GWindows and a future home for it Stephen Leake
2004-10-02 3:06 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-02 7:13 ` tmoran
2004-10-03 16:22 ` James E. Hopper
2004-10-03 19:03 ` Future of Ada volunteer efforts David Botton
2004-10-03 23:31 ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 0:13 ` GWindows Database time type Stephen Leake
2004-09-30 4:31 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-01 0:57 ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-01 1:44 ` stephane richard
2004-10-01 3:04 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-10-01 10:07 ` stephane richard
2004-09-30 18:44 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-10-21 17:29 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-22 2:32 ` David Botton
2004-10-22 16:46 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-21 17:26 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-10-03 15:41 ` AdaPower and GWindows community effort drive David Botton
2004-10-03 16:45 ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 17:29 ` David Botton
2004-10-03 17:38 ` stephane richard
2004-10-03 19:10 ` David Botton
2004-10-04 2:12 ` Stephen Leake
2004-10-04 2:21 ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:25 ` David Botton
2004-10-04 2:37 ` Fionn mac Cuimhaill
2004-10-04 2:49 ` stephane richard
2004-10-04 13:44 ` David Botton
2004-10-05 1:25 ` David Botton
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2004-10-07 6:20 GWindows and a future home for it Robert C. Leif
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