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From: "Alexander E. Kopilovich" <aek@VB1162.spb.edu>
To: comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org
Subject: Re: Manifesto against Vector
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 00:53:51 +0400 (MSD)
Date: 2004-05-12T00:53:51+04:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mailman.112.1084308823.313.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <u65b34p1l.fsf@earthlink.net>; from Matthew Heaney at Tue, 11 May 2004 01:29:39 GMT

Matthew Heaney wrote:

> it's a good thing the vector isn't named "Unbounded_Array",
> since it's not an unbounded array.  (The vector uses an unbounded array
> as a model, in order to describe the semantics of the abstraction, but
> of course that doesn't mean the vector is an unbounded array.

Apparently the name "Unbounded_Array" implies for you a particular method of
implementation; probably you think that the "Array" part of this name hints
on that the whole container occupies contiguous chunk of memory (or, perhaps,
several chunks, with many elements of the array in each). But this is just
your personal association, and I don't think that this association is too
widespread.

Anyway, the method of implementation of this container doesn't matter much
for a user, because if it did matter then the standard container probably
should not be used at all - according to general presumption for intended use
of the whole Container Library.

>  In fact,
> at least two compiler vendors will not be using an unbounded array as
> the representation of their vector implementation.)

There aren't too many options for those compiler vendors - I guess that they
will use unbounded array of accesses to the objects in container. In Delphi's
VCL the container implemented in this way is called List - and there were no
complaints among Delphi programmers regarding this name. By the way, the name
Flexible_Array (inspired by Algol-68) would be totally neutral regarding an 
implementation.

The essence of the problem at which I pointed, is not that the particular
name (Unbounded_Array) was not chosen, but in that the chosen name (Vector)
has another predefined meaning in several application domains (which are
among few Ada-friendly ones), And that this name will be in the standard.




Alexander Kopilovich                      aek@vib.usr.pu.ru
Saint-Petersburg
Russia






  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-11 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-04  3:20 Manifesto against Vector Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04 16:30 ` chris
2004-05-04 17:19   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 20:40     ` Peter C. Chapin
2004-05-04 20:58       ` Xenos
2004-05-07  8:05         ` Ranges in C++ Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 23:18           ` James Rogers
2004-05-08  6:45             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 16:19             ` Xenos
2004-05-10 18:04               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 19:03                 ` Xenos
2004-05-11  5:59                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-04 17:16 ` Manifesto against Vector Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-04 18:24   ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 19:17     ` Xenos
2004-05-04 19:53       ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05  9:24       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-05  5:28     ` Russ
2004-05-05  7:01       ` tmoran
2004-05-05 17:37       ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  3:42         ` Russ
2004-05-06  5:55           ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-06  7:03           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-06  9:29             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06  9:41               ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 12:44                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 13:30                   ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-06 14:35                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  8:23                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 12:38                       ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-09 20:34                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  8:26                           ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-05-10 12:13                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 14:48                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07  8:31                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 14:30                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-09 20:33                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-12 19:49                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-07  7:01                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06  9:55               ` with and use again (was: Manifesto against Vector) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-06 12:04                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07  6:53                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-09 20:33                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-10  7:00                       ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 12:15                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-07 16:27                 ` with and use again Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-06 19:53               ` Manifesto against Vector Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  0:42                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07  6:49                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07 18:20                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-07 19:15                       ` Simon Wright
2004-05-10  6:49                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-10 17:25                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11 13:25                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-05-07  5:00               ` Simon Wright
2004-05-07  6:40               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 16:25               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-05-07  6:33             ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-06 14:28           ` Wes Groleau
2004-05-07  5:15             ` Russ
2004-05-10 11:55               ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-12 19:44                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-12 19:42               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13  5:23                 ` Russ
2004-05-13  5:48                   ` Randy Brukardt
2004-05-13 14:43                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-14  1:02                     ` Russ
2004-05-07  6:29           ` with use - again [Was: Manifesto against Vector] Martin Krischik
2004-05-07 11:18             ` Manuel Collado
2004-05-07 14:37               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-07 13:41             ` Mark Lorenzen
2004-05-07 13:06               ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-05 19:45       ` Manifesto against Vector Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 18:42   ` Ada.Containers names Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-05 23:21   ` Manifesto against Vector Robert I. Eachus
2004-05-07  4:55 ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  4:10   ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12  7:41     ` Pascal Obry
2004-05-12 12:11       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-12 12:50       ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-10  6:41 ` Martin Krischik
2004-05-10 17:41   ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-05-11  1:29     ` Matthew Heaney
2004-05-11 20:53       ` Alexander E. Kopilovich [this message]
     [not found]       ` <XRVrJe0vzF@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-11 22:26         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-11  5:55     ` Martin Krischik
     [not found] <PnHmmb05QD@VB1162.spb.edu>
2004-05-04  9:07 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-04 13:08   ` (see below)
2004-05-04 15:16     ` Martin Dowie
2004-05-05 13:21       ` Kevin Hostelley
2004-05-05 13:53         ` Georg Bauhaus
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