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From: Eric Merritt <cyberlync@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: POLL: Would you use Ada more if...
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 09:17:54 -0700 (PDT)
Date: 2002-08-16T09:17:54-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mailman.1029514682.9656.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1029511909.206639@master.nyc.kbcfp.com>

> 
> Odd. As an Ada programmer, you should find this
> situation
> pleasing. It's the corporate version of Ada's strong
> type
> checking and syntax. Just as Ada is intended to be
> useful
> for very large projects, and favors the reader over
> the
> writer, the bureaucratic nature of the organization
> is meant
> to support the management of a large number of
> employees. It
> favors ability to manage over employee convenience.

I think you are missing a core concept here. The
strong typing and syntax help me get my job done in a
stable, fast, and timely manner. A bureaucratic and
moribund organization restricts me from getting my job
done in a stable, fast and timely manner. The Ada
typeing an syntax do not exist simply for the purpose
of existing, as I believe many of these bureaucratic
organizations do, they exist to help the programmer.
Now I will admit that some bureaucracy is required to
run an organization but, for some reason, in many
organizations the bureaucracy grows from a support
structure to manage large numbers of employees to a
ravounous beast that sucks the money and life out of
an organization.  

Basically you are saying that becuase Ada constrains
the programmer it is like a bureaucracy that
constrains an employee. I would refute that by saying
there are good constraints and bad constraints. An
example of a good constraint is one that restricts a
person from murdering another person. An example of a
bad constraint is one that restricts a person from
reading or traveling. In this reguard Ada is an
example of good constraints (constraints that are
helpfull and usefull). Bureaucratic organizations are
an example of bad constraints (constraints that are
harmfull and descructive).

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  reply	other threads:[~2002-08-16 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-08-16  8:46 POLL: Would you use Ada more if Juha Valimaki
2002-08-16 11:25 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 11:11   ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 11:54     ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 12:44       ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:17         ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:23           ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:32             ` John McCabe
2002-08-26 18:00               ` Robert A Duff
2002-08-27  8:28                 ` John McCabe
2002-08-27 22:56                 ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-27 18:23                   ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-27 19:24                     ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-28 14:53                       ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-28 17:07                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-28 17:38                           ` Darren New
2002-08-28 18:29                             ` Jim Rogers
2002-08-29  0:40                             ` Jerry Petrey
2002-08-28  1:41                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-28  5:52                       ` tmoran
2002-08-28 19:49                         ` tmoran
2002-08-28 15:05                       ` Anatoly Chernyshev
2002-08-28 20:24                       ` Dmitry A.Kazakov
2002-08-17  4:09             ` Adrian Hoe
2002-08-17 10:12             ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 10:57               ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-17 18:00                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 19:45                   ` Caffeine Junky
2002-08-18  3:41                     ` AG
2002-08-17 20:59                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-17 21:11                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-18  8:40               ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-19  0:50                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-16 13:33           ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 13:41             ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:51               ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 15:03                 ` Darren New
2002-08-16 15:24                   ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 16:26                   ` Robert C. Leif
2002-09-01 22:33                     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-08-16 15:31                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 16:17                   ` Eric Merritt [this message]
2002-08-16 16:51                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 18:03                       ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-16 18:45                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-08-16 23:11                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-16 20:46                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-17  6:22               ` Simon Wright
2002-08-17 15:53                 ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 16:09                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-17 17:00                     ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 21:05                   ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-19  8:28                   ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 17:03             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 16:28               ` Eric Merritt
2002-08-19  8:30               ` John McCabe
2002-08-19 14:03                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 18:27           ` Keith Thompson
2002-08-16 21:19             ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-16 23:44               ` Chad R. Meiners
2002-08-17  7:49                 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 10:14               ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 12:43                 ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-17 14:02                 ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-17 14:03                   ` chris.danx
2002-08-17 19:04                   ` Point of Information was " Robert C. Leif
2002-08-20  0:17                     ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-17 20:20                 ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-17 10:11           ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-18  2:05             ` Keith Thompson
2002-08-19  8:25             ` John McCabe
2002-08-20 15:48           ` pontius
2002-08-16 16:58         ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 16:24           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-16 17:38             ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-08-16 21:28               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-17  4:04         ` Adrian Hoe
2002-08-16 11:25   ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 12:33     ` Preben Randhol
2002-08-16 13:19       ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 16:29         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-18  1:52           ` AG
2002-08-19  2:34             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2002-08-16 18:54         ` Randy Brukardt
2002-08-18 22:44           ` David Thompson
2002-08-17 10:16       ` Robert Dewar
2002-08-16 11:25 ` John McCabe
2002-08-16 13:38   ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2002-09-01 21:40     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-08-16 15:27   ` Juha Valimaki
2002-09-01 21:42     ` henderson was no auteur
2002-09-01 21:36   ` henderson was no auteur
2002-09-02 23:32     ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-09-03  2:33       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2002-09-03  7:21       ` Dale Stanbrough
2002-08-16 14:00 ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-19 17:10   ` Richard Riehle
2002-08-19 17:50     ` Marin D. Condic
2002-08-19 20:53     ` Juha Valimaki
2002-08-20  8:29     ` John McCabe
2002-08-20 16:04   ` Kevin Cline
2002-08-17 14:21 ` POLL: " chris.danx
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2002-08-28 17:43 Anatoly Chernyshev
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