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From: "Gautier Write-only-address" <gautier_niouzes@hotmail.com>
To: comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org
Subject: Re: 'Cyclone', a safer C--reinventing the wheel
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 13:33:43 +0000
Date: 2001-11-22T13:33:43+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <mailman.1006436087.19644.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org> (raw)

>From: "chris.danx" <chris.danx@ntlworld.com>

>"The idea is to take good security ideas from higher level languages
>and implement them at a lower level"

>That suggests they actually know about other languages, and they are
>trying to bring those ideas to C.  The Cyclone developers don't seem to be 
>claiming that their ideas are new, or have never been a good
>thing; rather they are suggesting the opposite, C lacks some
>constructs which other languages have (which are good things) and
>they're trying to get those ideas across to C programmers.

Exactly, they don't claim to do better, and the aim is valuable,
e.g. to debug legacy C code: there will be more and more code where
the programmer(s) is/are no more living and where documentation
is lost.

More questionable is the lack of distance from the New Scientist
journalist's side, who doesn't suggest the existence of alternatives
for that problem - e.g. in some cases, it would be better to
reprogram in more modern languages than sticking to C. And...
will a "stronger C" be accepted by programmers if it has lost
its "quick & dirty" features ? Where is the tradeoff between
compatibility and security in that Cyclone ? That would be
interesting information.

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             reply	other threads:[~2001-11-22 13:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-22 13:33 Gautier Write-only-address [this message]
2001-11-22 17:04 ` 'Cyclone', a safer C--reinventing the wheel James Rogers
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2001-11-20 23:29 Gautier Write-only-address
2001-11-21 15:30 ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-20 18:37 Gautier Write-only-address
2001-11-20 12:36 Marc A. Criley
2001-11-20 12:51 ` Peter Amey
2001-11-20 14:45 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-20 15:31   ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-20 16:22     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-20 16:47       ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-20 16:30 ` chris.danx
2001-11-20 16:54   ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-20 19:49     ` chris.danx
2001-11-20 21:28       ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-20 22:36         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-21  9:20       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-22  0:32         ` chris.danx
2001-11-22  7:57           ` AG
2001-11-21 12:46       ` Marc A. Criley
2001-11-22 11:46     ` IsraelRT
2001-11-22 12:24       ` Preben Randhol
2001-11-23  9:19         ` Colin Paul Gloster
2001-11-22 16:06       ` chris.danx
2001-11-20 17:18   ` Pascal Obry
2001-11-20 22:21   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-21 14:27     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-22  9:27     ` chris.danx
2001-11-22 21:41       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-20 17:09 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-21  1:50   ` Mike Silva
2001-11-21 22:47     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-22  0:00       ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-22  0:42         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-26 10:42           ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-27  8:28             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-11-27 15:21               ` Mark Lundquist
2001-11-27 16:51                 ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-28 18:23                   ` Mark Lundquist
2001-12-24 15:17                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2001-11-23  6:46       ` Mike Silva
2001-11-23  7:13         ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-22 11:42 ` IsraelRT
2001-11-22 13:45   ` Marc A. Criley
2001-11-22 17:24     ` Brian Rogoff
2001-11-23 14:53       ` Marc A. Criley
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