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From: "G.B." <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 15:52:35 +0100
Date: 2015-01-12T15:52:35+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m90n2n$c2p$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <delkd2xhimol.q5uw34dwvc8m.dlg@40tude.net>

On 12.01.15 14:21, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jan 2015 12:40:50 +0100, G.B. wrote:
>
>> On 10.01.15 08:18, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>> Just because RDBMS uses RA for dealing with persistency problems.
>>
>> Persistence typically is just one of the goals when using a DB.
>
> Other goals, like money extortion, you mean?

A DB is good for independent information retrieval,
in particular when it is part of a PL:

Clients then need not buy or order special information
retrieval programs given all these non-standard databases.
A clear advantage, IMO.

Tiny example:
.ali files of GNAT and the ./info files of AdaMagic may
(theoretically) share a schema of Ada library data,
data available on request, leaving hardly any performance hit.

Granted, there was a time when a standard schema like this
would have meant that two vendors of Ada compilers would
be able to use each others' output (other than the object files).
And even third parties could use either GNAT's or AdaMagic-Based's
compiler output, so as to make it serve *their* needs as well
as *their* customers' needs. That's not exactly the freedom of
information that every business person will like, I guess,
depending on whether they are sellers or buyers.


> And it would be a lie to say that SQL were any
> declarative.

SQL is not *any* declarative? Do you mean "not *all* declarative"?

> Nobody would seriously consider this
> for universal purpose programming, except for pointy-haired academics.

So what? No need to have relational models replace everything!
That's a straw man. When RA is just made available as part
of a general purpose PL's definition, that's a good start.

In fact, with either built-in relation support or Ada.Containers,
a typical algorithm like
   "Find all friends of distance <= 2."
might look almost the same no matter whether, say, pairs would
be stored in a container table or in a relational table.


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Thread overview: 229+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-04 19:43 What is the best license to use for open source software? Hubert
2015-01-04 20:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-04 20:50 ` David Botton
2015-01-04 21:27   ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-04 22:13     ` David Botton
2015-01-04 23:14       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05  0:56         ` David Botton
2015-01-05  1:20           ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05  2:28             ` David Botton
2015-01-05 11:24               ` GNAT GPL is not shareware (was: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software?) Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-05 11:38                 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 12:02                   ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Mark Carroll
2015-01-05 13:26                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06  0:39                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-06  0:48                         ` Hubert
2015-01-06  0:54                           ` David Botton
2015-01-06  4:02                             ` Hubert
2015-01-06 13:26                               ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-01-06 14:45                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-06 14:51                                   ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-06 20:59                                       ` David Botton
2015-01-07 23:36                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  3:22                                           ` David Botton
2015-01-08  4:21                                             ` Hubert
2015-01-08  5:17                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-08  8:52                                             ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:36                                               ` gnatmake to lose support for project files, gprbuild instead Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-09  2:05                                             ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09  2:40                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09  3:42                                                 ` David Botton
2015-01-09  6:50                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 17:17                                                   ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-09 20:08                                                     ` David Botton
2015-01-10 12:53                                                       ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-10  2:06                                                     ` Simon Clubley
2015-01-09  3:40                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-09  9:25                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-01-06 15:36                                   ` G.B.
2015-01-06 17:14                                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 14:46                                 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 15:09                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:37                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:46                                     ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 20:52                                     ` Shark8
2015-01-06 21:15                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 21:46                                         ` Shark8
2015-01-07 11:00                                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 12:23                                             ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 13:03                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 13:46                                                 ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 14:16                                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:27                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 13:19                                               ` Thomas Løcke
2015-01-07 16:32                                             ` Shark8
2015-01-07 17:28                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 19:04                                                 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 22:58                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 19:24                                                 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 21:45                                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:33                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:39                                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:47                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 23:02                                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 23:47                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  8:14                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 10:55                                                   ` G.B.
2015-01-08 12:30                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 14:17                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-08 16:54                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-09 13:47                                                           ` G.B.
2015-01-09 22:03                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:39                                                               ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:49                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-13  9:00                                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 15:51                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-13 17:46                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 21:19                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-14  8:47                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 16:22                                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-14 17:45                                                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 23:43                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-15  9:31                                                                               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-15 14:24                                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-15 20:24                                                                         ` David Botton
2015-01-15 21:10                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-01-16  0:35                                                                             ` David Botton
2015-01-16  0:45                                                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-10  7:18                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 11:40                                                               ` G.B.
2015-01-12 13:21                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 14:52                                                                   ` G.B. [this message]
2015-01-12 15:22                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-13  0:00                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-12 23:52                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09  2:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 18:46                                                     ` Shark8
2015-01-08 20:51                                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-09  2:20                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 14:11                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-09 21:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 21:47                                                           ` Shark8
2015-01-09 22:07                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:36                                                               ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:37                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07  9:15                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-09 10:27                                 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 10:58                                   ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 16:39                                   ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-10 17:33                                     ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-10 17:44                                       ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-11  1:09                                       ` David Botton
2015-01-11 11:39                                         ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-11 17:42                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 18:45                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05 18:43                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-05 13:40                   ` G.B.
2015-01-05 13:59                   ` Brad Moore
2015-01-05 14:49                     ` G.B.
2015-01-05 15:11                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 18:43                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 19:42                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:22                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-07  1:59                       ` Hubert
2015-01-07  9:38                         ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 10:17                           ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-07 10:27                             ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 12:44                               ` David Botton
2015-01-07 15:39                               ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-07 23:45                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  4:09                           ` Hubert
2015-01-08  8:57                             ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:06                             ` G.B.
2015-01-05 18:43                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-06  0:44                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-29 12:58                   ` Lucretia
2015-01-29 14:25                     ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 11:20                       ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-29 19:12                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-29 20:57                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 16:48                         ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 20:15                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-30 21:03                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  8:16                               ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-31 15:38                               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 20:44                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-02 22:06                                   ` David Botton
2015-02-03 20:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04  0:09                                       ` David Botton
2015-02-04  7:27                                         ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04  8:00                                           ` Mark Carroll
2015-02-04  8:38                                             ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04 12:27                                               ` G.B.
2015-02-04 12:48                                                 ` David Botton
2015-02-04 17:03                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 10:15                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 12:30                                           ` David Botton
2015-02-02 22:13                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-02 23:03                                   ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 20:36                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-03 22:54                                       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 17:42                                         ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 19:41                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 22:49                                             ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05  9:00                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 20:57                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04 23:17                                           ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 23:57                                             ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05  9:06                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-02-05 20:26                                                 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 23:34                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-02-03 23:55                                       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04  0:20                                         ` David Botton
2015-02-04 21:20                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  9:49                             ` G.B.
2015-01-31 16:12                               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 12:06                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 11:48                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 12:10                     ` G.B.
2015-01-30 12:12                     ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 13:50                       ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 15:48                         ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 17:13                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 17:34                           ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 18:21                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 18:49                               ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 19:46                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  9:02                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-02-01 21:17                                   ` Containers on small systems (Was: GNAT GPL is not shareware) Simon Wright
2015-02-05  9:40                                     ` Containers on small systems Simon Wright
2015-02-06 21:54                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-02-18 22:25                                         ` Simon Wright
2015-01-31 11:04                       ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Brian Drummond
2015-01-05 19:54               ` What is the best license to use for open source software? Michael B.
2015-01-05 20:45                 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 21:51                   ` sbelmont700
2015-01-05 13:36       ` G.B.
2015-01-05 14:54         ` David Botton
2015-01-05  3:47   ` Hubert
2015-01-05 15:56     ` Maciej Sobczak
2015-01-05 16:52       ` Tero Koskinen
2015-01-05 16:53       ` David Botton
2015-01-23 11:49 ` jeditekunum
2015-01-26 15:01   ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-26 15:37     ` David Botton
2015-01-26 22:46       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-27  0:39         ` G.B.
2015-01-27  1:59           ` David Botton
2015-01-27  8:52           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29  7:03             ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29  8:50               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 10:25                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 12:31                   ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 10:29                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 13:19                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 14:21                     ` G.B.
2015-01-29 15:06                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 14:41                     ` G.B.
2015-01-29 15:11                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 12:23                 ` G.B.
2015-01-29 12:47                   ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 14:06                     ` G.B.
2015-01-27 22:44           ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-28  1:16             ` David Botton
2015-01-28 19:29               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-27  6:18         ` Shark8
2015-01-27 11:18         ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-28 19:12           ` Jerry Petrey
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2015-01-09 21:58 GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
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