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From: Georg Bauhaus <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid>
Subject: Re: GNAT GPL is not shareware
Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 10:15:25 +0100
Date: 2015-01-07T10:15:25+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m8itej$q4d$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m8hj8p$qn2$1@dont-email.me>

On 06.01.15 22:15, Björn Lundin wrote:
>> (A) How many different "small tools" have their own configuration which
>> >directly impacts another tool and that other tool doesn't know about the
>> >first?
> I do not know
> And I do not see the relevance here either.
>

Assume there is a standard way of describing the graph
of dependence of a software product to be.

Then, no matter which compiler you choose, no matter which
operating system you use for development, the standards based
development environment is going to do the right
thing when selecting units and dependencies.

Because the compiler performs the selections in terms of the
standard description.

There is no standard description of the net of dependence
for Ada programs. Whether that standard would rely on text or
on a database or whatever for its implementation is a secondary
concern, I think.

I'd expect vendors to tell tales about APSE failure, about flexibility,
about operating systems, about licensing, about the HALTing problem etc.
So each finds a reason to provide their own configuration language…

What's the situation with other languages?

Eiffel has a configuration language as part of the
language definition.  Other languages have developed highly
specialized solutions. They are complex to configure, although fairly
easy to "run" after some initial training. In fact, in the labor market,
job descriptions will typically mention these tools as a qualification.

The qualifications such as knowing Maven, knowing bower,
knowing VS 9, knowing DevOps topics, knowing Eclipse (not Netbeans),
known the umpteenth framework, typically is of no lasting
value for most programmers, because "The Market" makes
most of these specializations in software configuration worthless.
They are replaced every now and then with something different.
Maintenance jobs are fewer.

Learning programming languages is relatively easy in comparison to
memorizing yet another configuration language … a "necessary" evil,
like also memorizing yet another markup language is … another "necessary"
evil.

Industry does not value standards for configuration and frameworks,
since vendors, consultants, and publishers have successfully done a lot
to lure industry into standards avoidance there.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-01-07  9:15 UTC|newest]

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2015-01-04 19:43 What is the best license to use for open source software? Hubert
2015-01-04 20:24 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-04 20:50 ` David Botton
2015-01-04 21:27   ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-04 22:13     ` David Botton
2015-01-04 23:14       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05  0:56         ` David Botton
2015-01-05  1:20           ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05  2:28             ` David Botton
2015-01-05 11:24               ` GNAT GPL is not shareware (was: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software?) Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-05 11:38                 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 12:02                   ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Mark Carroll
2015-01-05 13:26                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06  0:39                       ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-06  0:48                         ` Hubert
2015-01-06  0:54                           ` David Botton
2015-01-06  4:02                             ` Hubert
2015-01-06 13:26                               ` Stefan.Lucks
2015-01-06 14:45                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-06 14:51                                   ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-06 20:59                                       ` David Botton
2015-01-07 23:36                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  3:22                                           ` David Botton
2015-01-08  4:21                                             ` Hubert
2015-01-08  5:17                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-08  8:52                                             ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:36                                               ` gnatmake to lose support for project files, gprbuild instead Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-09  2:05                                             ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09  2:40                                               ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09  3:42                                                 ` David Botton
2015-01-09  6:50                                                   ` Paul Rubin
2015-01-09 17:17                                                   ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-09 20:08                                                     ` David Botton
2015-01-10 12:53                                                       ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-10  2:06                                                     ` Simon Clubley
2015-01-09  3:40                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-09  9:25                                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2015-01-06 15:36                                   ` G.B.
2015-01-06 17:14                                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 14:46                                 ` David Botton
2015-01-06 15:09                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:37                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 17:46                                     ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 20:52                                     ` Shark8
2015-01-06 21:15                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-06 21:46                                         ` Shark8
2015-01-07 11:00                                           ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 12:23                                             ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 13:03                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 13:46                                                 ` sbelmont700
2015-01-07 14:16                                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:27                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 13:19                                               ` Thomas Løcke
2015-01-07 16:32                                             ` Shark8
2015-01-07 17:28                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 19:04                                                 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 22:58                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 19:24                                                 ` Shark8
2015-01-07 21:45                                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:33                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 17:39                                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 22:47                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07 23:02                                                 ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-07 23:47                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  8:14                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 10:55                                                   ` G.B.
2015-01-08 12:30                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-08 14:17                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-08 16:54                                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-09 13:47                                                           ` G.B.
2015-01-09 22:03                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:39                                                               ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:49                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-13  9:00                                                                   ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 15:51                                                                     ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-13 17:46                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-13 21:19                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-14  8:47                                                                       ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 16:22                                                                         ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-14 17:45                                                                           ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-14 23:43                                                                             ` Robert A Duff
2015-01-15  9:31                                                                               ` J-P. Rosen
2015-01-15 14:24                                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-15 20:24                                                                         ` David Botton
2015-01-15 21:10                                                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-01-16  0:35                                                                             ` David Botton
2015-01-16  0:45                                                                               ` David Botton
2015-01-10  7:18                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 11:40                                                               ` G.B.
2015-01-12 13:21                                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-12 14:52                                                                   ` G.B.
2015-01-12 15:22                                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-13  0:00                                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-12 23:52                                                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09  2:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08 18:46                                                     ` Shark8
2015-01-08 20:51                                                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-09  2:20                                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 14:11                                                       ` G.B.
2015-01-09 21:33                                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 21:47                                                           ` Shark8
2015-01-09 22:07                                                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-09 23:36                                                               ` Shark8
2015-01-12 23:37                                                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-07  9:15                                         ` Georg Bauhaus [this message]
2015-01-09 10:27                                 ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 10:58                                   ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-09 16:39                                   ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-10 17:33                                     ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-10 17:44                                       ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-11  1:09                                       ` David Botton
2015-01-11 11:39                                         ` Arie van Wingerden
2015-01-11 17:42                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 18:45                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-05 18:43                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-05 13:40                   ` G.B.
2015-01-05 13:59                   ` Brad Moore
2015-01-05 14:49                     ` G.B.
2015-01-05 15:11                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 18:43                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-06 19:42                     ` David Botton
2015-01-06 20:22                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2015-01-07  1:59                       ` Hubert
2015-01-07  9:38                         ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 10:17                           ` Mark Carroll
2015-01-07 10:27                             ` Pascal Obry
2015-01-07 12:44                               ` David Botton
2015-01-07 15:39                               ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-07 23:45                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-08  4:09                           ` Hubert
2015-01-08  8:57                             ` Simon Wright
2015-01-08 11:06                             ` G.B.
2015-01-05 18:43                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-06  0:44                   ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2015-01-29 12:58                   ` Lucretia
2015-01-29 14:25                     ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 11:20                       ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-29 19:12                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-29 20:57                       ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 16:48                         ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-30 20:15                           ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-30 21:03                             ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  8:16                               ` Dirk Heinrichs
2015-01-31 15:38                               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 20:44                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-02 22:06                                   ` David Botton
2015-02-03 20:14                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04  0:09                                       ` David Botton
2015-02-04  7:27                                         ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04  8:00                                           ` Mark Carroll
2015-02-04  8:38                                             ` Pascal Obry
2015-02-04 12:27                                               ` G.B.
2015-02-04 12:48                                                 ` David Botton
2015-02-04 17:03                                               ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 10:15                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 12:30                                           ` David Botton
2015-02-02 22:13                                   ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-02 23:03                                   ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 20:36                                     ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-03 22:54                                       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 17:42                                         ` Björn Lundin
2015-02-04 19:41                                           ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 22:49                                             ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05  9:00                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-02-04 20:57                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-02-04 23:17                                           ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04 23:57                                             ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-05  9:06                                               ` Simon Wright
2015-02-05 20:26                                                 ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-03 23:34                                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-02-03 23:55                                       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-04  0:20                                         ` David Botton
2015-02-04 21:20                                         ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  9:49                             ` G.B.
2015-01-31 16:12                               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-02-02 12:06                                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 11:48                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2015-01-30 12:10                     ` G.B.
2015-01-30 12:12                     ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 13:50                       ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 15:48                         ` Björn Lundin
2015-01-30 17:13                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 17:34                           ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 18:21                             ` Jeffrey Carter
2015-01-30 18:49                               ` Simon Wright
2015-01-30 19:46                                 ` Randy Brukardt
2015-01-31  9:02                                   ` Simon Wright
2015-02-01 21:17                                   ` Containers on small systems (Was: GNAT GPL is not shareware) Simon Wright
2015-02-05  9:40                                     ` Containers on small systems Simon Wright
2015-02-06 21:54                                       ` Simon Wright
2015-02-18 22:25                                         ` Simon Wright
2015-01-31 11:04                       ` GNAT GPL is not shareware Brian Drummond
2015-01-05 19:54               ` What is the best license to use for open source software? Michael B.
2015-01-05 20:45                 ` David Botton
2015-01-05 21:51                   ` sbelmont700
2015-01-05 13:36       ` G.B.
2015-01-05 14:54         ` David Botton
2015-01-05  3:47   ` Hubert
2015-01-05 15:56     ` Maciej Sobczak
2015-01-05 16:52       ` Tero Koskinen
2015-01-05 16:53       ` David Botton
2015-01-23 11:49 ` jeditekunum
2015-01-26 15:01   ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-26 15:37     ` David Botton
2015-01-26 22:46       ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-27  0:39         ` G.B.
2015-01-27  1:59           ` David Botton
2015-01-27  8:52           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29  7:03             ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29  8:50               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 10:25                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 12:31                   ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 10:29                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2015-01-29 13:19                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 14:21                     ` G.B.
2015-01-29 15:06                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 14:41                     ` G.B.
2015-01-29 15:11                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2015-01-29 12:23                 ` G.B.
2015-01-29 12:47                   ` Vadim Godunko
2015-01-29 14:06                     ` G.B.
2015-01-27 22:44           ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-28  1:16             ` David Botton
2015-01-28 19:29               ` Jedi Tek'Unum
2015-01-27  6:18         ` Shark8
2015-01-27 11:18         ` Brian Drummond
2015-01-28 19:12           ` Jerry Petrey
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2015-01-09 21:58 GNAT GPL is not shareware Randy Brukardt
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