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From: Matthew Heaney <matthew_heaney@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Can't export object of private type
Date: 1999/03/10
Date: 1999-03-10T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3vhg9vjx7.fsf@mheaney.ni.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: F8D7xq.HnI@syd.csa.com.au

nospam@thanks.com.au (Don Harrison) writes:

> :You can't enforce this using the type system.
> 
> I'm beginning to believe that. :(

The language can't do everything for you.  If you declare a type like
this:

package P is

   type T (<>) is limited private;

   <ops for T>

end P;


then there's nothing in the language that forces you to implement a
constructor for the type.  This type is useless without a constructor,
but Ada can only prevent you from doing harmful things, not useless
things.

And besides, you don't need the language to tell you, because human
programmers who try to use your type will tell you right away!

 
> :This is like declaring a type, and then trying to have an operation that
> :forces clients to declare instances of the type.  Huh???
> 
> Not at all. It's nothing like that. The nature of the inheritance relation 
> is completely different from the client relation. Whereas a client should 
> *optionally* use a supplier (including declaring instances of it), a 
> derivation should be *forced* to honour its parent's contract; otherwise, 
> polymorphism breaks. 
 
I see it exactly the opposite.  Construction is part of the relationship
between client and specific type, not part of the inheritance relation.

Different clients have different construction needs, and every client
might very well declare his own custom constructor for the type.  This
is the great thing about child units:

package P is 

  type T (<>) is limited private;

...       
  function Default_Constructor return T_Access;

end P;

Let's say I have very specific construction needs, and
Default_Constructor isn't adequate.  For ex, I might need to stream the
object in off of disk.  So I just declare my own constructor:

function P.My_Constructor (Filename : String) return T_Access;

One of the purposes of the child facility is to allow you to efficiently
extend an abstraction.  Note that this kind of "extension" doesn't
extend the type in the same sense as deriving from a tagged type.  

We are not creating a new type.  Here, we want only to add a
non-primitive operation to the type --a constructor-- that has the same
efficiency and convenience of primitive operations.




  reply	other threads:[~1999-03-10  0:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 128+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <F7JoCB.JxB@syd.csa.com.au>
1999-02-24  0:00 ` Can't export object of private type Don Harrison
1999-02-24  0:00   ` Tom Moran
1999-02-24  0:00   ` Samuel Mize
1999-02-24  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1999-02-25  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1999-02-25  0:00       ` Samuel Mize
1999-02-26  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1999-02-27  0:00           ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-01  0:00                 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-01  0:00               ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-01  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1999-03-02  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-03  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00                       ` Samuel Mize
1999-03-04  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1999-03-07  0:00                     ` Ehud Lamm
1999-03-03  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1999-03-04  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1999-03-04  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-02  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-02-28  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-01  0:00           ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-02  0:00               ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-01  0:00           ` Samuel Mize
1999-02-25  0:00       ` fraser
1999-02-26  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1999-02-26  0:00           ` fraser
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-02-26  0:00           ` Samuel Mize
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-01  0:00               ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-02  0:00               ` fraser
1999-03-03  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
     [not found]           ` <7b6nqe$75m$1@remarq.com>
1999-02-26  0:00             ` fraser
1999-02-27  0:00               ` Nick Roberts
1999-02-28  0:00           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-02-28  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-02-25  0:00       ` robert_dewar
1999-02-26  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1999-02-26  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-02-26  0:00             ` dennison
1999-02-26  0:00             ` bourguet
1999-02-26  0:00               ` Samuel T. Harris
1999-02-27  0:00                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1999-02-27  0:00                 ` Simon Wright
1999-02-28  0:00               ` dewar
1999-03-01  0:00                 ` bourguet
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-01  0:00               ` robert_dewar
1999-03-03  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00                   ` robert_dewar
1999-03-01  0:00             ` Stephen Leake
1999-02-27  0:00         ` Brian Rogoff
1999-03-01  0:00           ` robert_dewar
1999-02-28  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-01  0:00       ` Tom Moran
1999-03-02  0:00         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-02  0:00           ` Tom Moran
1999-03-02  0:00             ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-02  0:00               ` Tom Moran
1999-03-02  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-02  0:00                   ` nabbasi
1999-03-02  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-03  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00                     ` Single Extension; Polymorphic Arrays Nick Roberts
1999-03-03  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-08  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-08  0:00                           ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-08  0:00                           ` Tucker Taft
     [not found]                             ` <m3ogm40wav.fsf@mheaney.ni.net>
1999-03-08  0:00                               ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-08  0:00                                 ` dennison
1999-03-09  0:00                                 ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-08  0:00                               ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-03  0:00               ` Can't export object of private type Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00                   ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-04  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1999-03-04  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-04  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-03-05  0:00                           ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-05  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1999-03-05  0:00                           ` Abstract Subprograms of Untagged Types Nick Roberts
1999-03-05  0:00                             ` robert_dewar
1999-03-05  0:00                             ` Tucker Taft
1999-03-05  0:00                               ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-06  0:00                               ` robert_dewar
1999-03-04  0:00                       ` Can't export object of private type Nick Roberts
1999-03-08  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-09  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1999-03-09  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-09  0:00                             ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-10  0:00                             ` Don Harrison
1999-03-10  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
1999-03-04  0:00                       ` fraser
1999-03-09  0:00                         ` Don Harrison
1999-03-08  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-08  0:00                       ` Nick Roberts
1999-03-08  0:00                 ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-10  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1999-03-10  0:00                     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-03-10  0:00                       ` dennison
1999-03-10  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1999-03-10  0:00                           ` robert_dewar
1999-03-10  0:00                           ` dennison
1999-03-11  0:00                             ` dennison
1999-03-10  0:00                         ` robert_dewar
1999-03-10  0:00                           ` dennison
1999-03-10  0:00                             ` robert_dewar
1999-03-10  0:00                               ` dennison
1999-03-11  0:00                                 ` robert_dewar
1999-03-11  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1999-03-12  0:00                                     ` robert_dewar
1999-03-11  0:00                                 ` bill
1999-03-11  0:00                                   ` Scott Ingram
1999-03-11  0:00                                     ` Larry Kilgallen
1999-03-11  0:00                                   ` dennison
1999-03-12  0:00                                   ` dewar
1999-03-11  0:00                                 ` dennison
1999-03-11  0:00                           ` Don Harrison
1999-03-03  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1999-02-28  0:00     ` Matthew Heaney
1999-02-28  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
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