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From: Ludovic Brenta <ludovic.brenta@insalien.org>
Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)
Date: 07 Feb 2004 14:00:35 +0100
Date: 2004-02-07T14:00:35+01:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3isij11u4.fsf_-_@insalien.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3.1076142690.295.comp.lang.ada@ada-france.org

"Carroll-Tech" <andrew@carroll-tech.net> writes:

> I tell the students that I tutor that learning some Pascal or Ada
> would help them and they get scared.  I mention doing a project in
> Ada and everyone looks at me like I'm out to punish myself.  To me
> it isn't any easier to use C/C++, Java, Perl, Lisp or Prolog than it
> is to use Ada.  How is it that Ada has this "super powerful", "super
> difficult", "there's not much call for it because it's too advanced
> and powerful" air about it when it's just another language?  It's
> like saying that the machine code spit out of an Ada compiler has
> some mystical, magical properties that makes the Ada language more
> difficult to use.

I was thinking along the same lines last evening, and I came up with a
small theory that explains why so few pople can be bothered to learn
Ada.  It goes like this: There are 3 types of languages.

The first type of language says "we're going to make programming
easy".  Of course, this is a lie, because programming is inherently
difficult and no language can make it easy.  These languages fake it
by being simplistic.  Java is the most prominent member of this family
of languages; most scripting languages also fall in this category.
Beginners tend to flock to these "easy" languages and never learn
proper programming skills (like e.g. memory management.  If some Java
"guru" reads this, ask yourself this one question: how many threads
does your program have, and please justify the existence of each
thread).

The second type says "we will let you do anything, absolutely anything
you want, and the power is in the hands of the True Programmers".
Languages in this category include, among others, C and C++.  Many
people take a foolish pride in being called a True Programmer, and
therefore like these languages.  I myself once was in this category: I
would show off my skills by writing a single-line program that nobody
else could read.  But humans write bugs, and these languages don't
lend a hand finding these.  Hence the famous buffer overflows.

The third type is what I would call the "zen master" type of
languages.  They treat you like an apprentice, slapping you on the
hand each time you make a small mistake, and they scorn at you for
choosing the quick and easy path -- which leads to the Dark Side.  If
you accept their teachings, you quickly become a Master yourself.  If
you rebel against them, you will never achieve Enlightenment and will
always produce bugs.  The "zen master" languages are Pascal, Modula,
Oberon, and, master of masters, Ada.  The beauty of these languages is
that, once you are Enlightened, you can apply your wisdom to other
languages as well -- but often would prefer not to.

-- 
Ludovic Brenta.



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     [not found] <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org>
2004-02-07  8:50 ` No call for it Carroll-Tech
2004-02-07 13:00   ` Ludovic Brenta [this message]
2004-02-07 13:19     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 14:56     ` David Harmon
2004-02-07 15:03     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-08 12:12       ` Simon Wright
2004-02-09  2:36         ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-07 19:24     ` MSG
2004-02-07 19:32       ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-07 22:47       ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-07 23:19       ` tmoran
2004-02-08  3:15       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08 12:57         ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-02 23:18         ` Beth Bruzan
2004-04-03  0:08           ` David Starner
2004-04-03  0:33             ` Ed Falis
2004-04-03 13:11               ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03  9:13             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 11:51               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 15:09                 ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-03 17:14                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-03 22:26                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-04  6:41                   ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-04 10:00                   ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-04 12:38                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-04-05 18:07                     ` No call for Ada Marc A. Criley
2004-04-05 21:16                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 11:00                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 22:09                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 22:20                       ` chris
2004-04-06 13:25                         ` Marc A. Criley
2004-04-07  1:17                           ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-03 22:59               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-04  0:33                 ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-04  9:57               ` Florian Weimer
2004-04-03  9:21           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 13:06           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 14:12             ` James Rogers
2004-04-03 14:29               ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 16:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-03 19:46                   ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-03 19:58                     ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-05 12:30                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-16 11:27                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-16 13:00                           ` No call for it Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-16 16:39                             ` Martin Dowie
2004-04-16 19:45                             ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-05 12:10                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-05 20:38                       ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-05 22:50                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06  8:17                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  2:15                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  2:55                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  9:34                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07  9:34                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-07 11:38                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:18                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 11:22                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 20:46                                     ` No call for Ada Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-09 11:26                                       ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09 15:50                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08  2:29                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-08  9:59                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-08 16:49                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-09 11:34                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-10  0:51                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-10 10:49                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11  3:10                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-11 10:31                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-11 21:47                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-12 10:29                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13  0:36                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-13 10:55                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-13 22:44                                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-13 23:32                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14  8:49                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-14 23:22                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-15 10:37                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16  2:47                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-16 11:36                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-16 13:52                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-16 17:37                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17  2:34                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  8:08                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-17 18:07                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-18  8:24                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-19  1:53                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-19 14:29                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20  1:41                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-20  8:12                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-20 11:33                                                                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-21  2:51                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-21  9:29                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 11:58                                                                                         ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 11:50                                                                                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:38                                                                                             ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-21 13:58                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 15:30                                                                                                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  7:49                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-21 15:27                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-22 11:50                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-22 14:14                                                                                                   ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22 15:56                                                                                                     ` Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22 15:42                                                                                                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:36                                                                                                       ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-21 17:48                                                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-22  3:16                                                                                               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-22  8:32                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-24  3:32                                                                                                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-22  8:43                                                                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-21 13:57                                                                                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-21 14:02                                                                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22  1:16                                                                                           ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22 14:09                                                                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-22 14:10                                                                                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-04-22  3:15                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-22  8:22                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-23  2:30                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-23  8:08                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-24  1:28                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-26  8:06                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-26 15:54                                                                                                     ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-27  3:26                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-27  8:11                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-27 14:25                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-28  2:03                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-28 12:12                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29  3:41                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-29 10:36                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-29 15:49                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-30 10:56                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:29                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  7:55                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 19:10                                                                                                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-05-03 11:17                                                                                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30  1:47                                                                                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-30 12:57                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-04-30 15:44                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03  9:17                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 11:46                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:17                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-01  2:38                                                                                                                     ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-03  9:58                                                                                                                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 12:06                                                                                                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-03 13:31                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-03 15:10                                                                                                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04  8:23                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 12:21                                                                                                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:09                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-05  8:44                                                                                                                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-05-04 13:56                                                                                                                                 ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-05-04 14:48                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04  3:11                                                                                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-04  8:47                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-04 20:34                                                                                                                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-05-05  8:29                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-05-06 15:04                                                                                                                                 ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
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2004-04-30 20:30                                                                                                                   ` [OT] price of doing science (was: No call for Ada...) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-15 14:25                                                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-13 12:57                                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototyping language) Frank J. Lhota
2004-04-14  0:11                                                         ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-14 11:43                                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-13 21:09                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15 16:10                                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-06  8:32                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17  0:12                             ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-17 10:29                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-17 17:40                               ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-04-17 18:13                                 ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 23:30                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-06 11:59                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 13:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 17:18                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 18:30                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 20:59                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-06 22:54                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-07  8:23                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:10                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2004-04-06 22:07                             ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-06 19:07                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 21:20                             ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-06 21:22                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07  0:31                             ` David Starner
2004-04-07  2:48                               ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-07  8:43                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:23                               ` Martin Krischik
2004-04-07 17:40                               ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-07 22:14                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-07 22:44                                   ` Ed Falis
2004-04-07 23:06                                     ` Szymon Guz
2004-04-08 17:34                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-08 11:46                                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-04-08 13:53                                           ` No call for Ada Samuel Tardieu
2004-04-08  9:18                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-08 13:39                                       ` Ed Falis
2004-04-08  3:51                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-08 18:36                                   ` chris
2004-04-08 18:43                                     ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-08 19:09                                       ` chris
2004-04-09  0:18                                         ` Vinzent 'Gadget' Hoefler
2004-04-09  1:29                                           ` chris
2004-04-09 11:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-09  0:12                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-09 11:37                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 16:38                                     ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-09 15:44                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-09 15:55                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-09 19:28                                   ` Robert Spooner
2004-04-09 21:01                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-10 19:27                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 20:06                                       ` tmoran
2004-04-10 20:16                                         ` Ed Falis
2004-04-10 21:38                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-10 23:23                                           ` tmoran
2004-04-11  4:06                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11  9:52                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-12  3:30                                                 ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-12  9:16                                                   ` chris
2004-04-12 11:25                                                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 11:47                                                       ` chris
2004-04-12 12:27                                                         ` chris
2004-04-12 15:43                                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11  0:16                                           ` Ed Falis
2004-04-11 13:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2004-04-11 13:48                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-12 22:34                                           ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-14 11:41                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 14:12                                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-14 17:52                                                 ` No call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-15 16:17                                                   ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-04-15 11:22                                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 19:22                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-15 11:38                                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-14 22:11                                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-04-11  1:01                                       ` Call for Ada Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-11  4:08                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-11 14:02                                           ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 13:55                                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-11 23:56                                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2004-04-12 11:29                                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08 18:50                                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) chris
2004-04-09 15:48                                   ` Pascal Obry
2004-04-13 14:14                               ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-15  2:12                                 ` Alan Anderson
2004-04-15 21:50                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 11:59                                     ` David Starner
2004-04-17 11:31                                 ` David Starner
2004-04-17 13:58                                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-17 17:53                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 18:19                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 20:26                                         ` Character encodings Björn Persson
2004-04-17 20:34                                           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-04-17 22:28                                             ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 22:38                                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-18  4:10                                           ` David Starner
2004-04-18 18:49                                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-19  5:02                                               ` David Starner
2004-04-20 16:07                                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-23 19:48                                                   ` Internationalization/localization (Was: No call for Ada) Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-04-23 20:16                                                     ` Björn Persson
2004-04-17 23:30                                       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18 22:20                                         ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-20  1:02                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-20  4:51                                             ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-17 22:23                                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-04-18  0:07                                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-18  3:57                                         ` David Starner
2004-04-18 19:27                                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-04-07  1:07                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototypinglanguage) Marius Amado Alves
2004-04-06 17:28                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-07 13:34                               ` chris
2004-04-07 13:54                                 ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-04-06 19:17                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing newscripting/prototypinglanguage) Randy Brukardt
2004-04-06 23:35                               ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2004-04-17  0:38                               ` Richard  Riehle
2004-04-03 16:31               ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Marin David Condic
2004-04-04  0:30                 ` James Rogers
2004-04-04 21:36                   ` Wes Groleau
2004-04-05 12:34                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-04-08  1:58             ` No call for Ada Berend de Boer
2004-02-08 13:05       ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 16:20         ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 18:02           ` Martin Krischik
2004-02-08 19:06             ` Josh Sebastian
2004-02-08 20:39               ` Martin Ambuhl
2004-02-10  3:37                 ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-10  7:07                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 22:03                     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-11 19:26                       ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 20:11                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-11 21:09                         ` Imperialism (OT) (Was: No call for Ada) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 18:46                           ` Frank J. Lhota
2004-02-13 21:15                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-12  2:57                         ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Alexander Kopilovitch
2004-02-13 22:47                           ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-14  4:48                             ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-15 21:53                               ` Comparative military mythology (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:12                                 ` Ed Falis
2004-02-16 16:39                                   ` Björn Persson
2004-02-15 22:40                                 ` Frode Tennebø
2004-02-15 22:15                             ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) David Starner
2004-02-18 11:28                             ` Tarjei T. Jensen
2004-02-12 13:55                         ` Reivilo Snuved
2004-02-12  1:02                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-12 16:56                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-10 18:39                   ` Ed Falis
2004-02-12  1:21                     ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-09 11:20               ` Thomas Stegen CES2000
2004-02-08 23:25         ` MSG
2004-02-09  0:11           ` James Rogers
2004-02-10  2:26             ` MSG
2004-02-10  2:37               ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10  2:45               ` James Rogers
2004-02-11 11:04                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 12:13                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-11 12:51                   ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 21:04                   ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 10:05               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 11:08                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 14:13                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-10 14:11                     ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 20:49                       ` Mark McIntyre
2004-02-11  0:12                       ` August Derleth
2004-02-16 14:46                   ` The inner workings of Gnat (was: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language)) Björn Persson
2004-02-16 17:59                     ` Pascal Obry
2004-02-16 18:18                       ` The inner workings of Gnat Björn Persson
2004-02-11  2:19                 ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) MSG
2004-02-11  6:30                   ` James Rogers
2004-02-12 23:20                     ` Ada performance (was No call for Ada ) MSG
2004-02-13  0:19                       ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-13  1:32                       ` Greg Lindahl
2004-02-13  4:18                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2004-02-13  1:39                       ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  1:42                         ` Richard Heathfield
2004-02-12 19:23                           ` Larry Hazel
2004-02-13  4:06                           ` James Rogers
2004-02-13  6:37                       ` Per Sandberg
2004-02-13 13:36                         ` James Rogers
2004-02-13 15:09                       ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-13 17:06                         ` Rich Townsend
2004-02-19  9:19                           ` Jan C. Vorbrüggen
2004-02-15 19:17                       ` Joona I Palaste
2004-02-11  9:22                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Dmitry A. Kazakov
2004-02-11 13:10                     ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-11 14:23                       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-12 12:49                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-12 13:54                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-13 13:01                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 15:41                               ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-12 15:37                           ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-13 13:11                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-13 16:41                               ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-14  8:53                                 ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-14 21:54                       ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-15 14:15                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17  9:19                           ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Jerry Coffin
2004-02-17 12:23                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-17 23:20                             ` David Starner
2004-02-11 16:06                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Xenos
2004-02-11 16:47                       ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 17:42                         ` Xenos
2004-02-11 18:23                           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 20:55                             ` Xenos
2004-02-11 22:58                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-17  9:14                     ` Lutz Donnerhacke
2004-02-10 10:10               ` David Rasmussen
2004-02-10 11:13                 ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-10 16:46                   ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-11 23:29                     ` Robert I. Eachus
2004-02-10 12:52               ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-09  1:24           ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-11 11:03             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 21:13               ` Martin Dowie
2004-02-12  3:12                 ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-12  3:36                   ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13  0:00                       ` Chad R. Meiners
2004-02-13  5:18                         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-13 11:04                           ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-13 14:34                             ` Peter Amey
2004-02-14  5:43                             ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-14  5:54                               ` Randy Brukardt
2004-02-18 17:18                                 ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 19:13                                   ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2004-02-17  1:21                       ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-17  8:26                         ` Peter Amey
2004-02-18 17:22                         ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-18 18:55                     ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-20 21:31                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-21 21:47                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 17:45                       ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-26 12:45                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 13:30                           ` sk
2004-02-26 19:43                           ` Keith Thompson
2004-02-26 22:36                             ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 22:52                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2004-02-27  0:50                               ` David Starner
2004-02-25 18:59                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-25 19:54                       ` Hyman Rosen
2004-02-26  9:16                         ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2004-02-26 12:52                         ` Marin David Condic
2004-02-26 14:36                           ` Hyman Rosen
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2004-02-28  4:21                       ` Those "home hobbyists..." (was: No call for Ada) Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28  8:06                         ` tmoran
2004-02-28 13:28                           ` Larry Kilgallen
2004-02-28 16:23                           ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-28 18:47                             ` tmoran
2004-03-03 17:27                               ` Warren W. Gay VE3WWG
2004-02-12  8:43                   ` No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-12 17:44                     ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 19:31             ` Rob Thorpe
2004-02-11 21:03               ` Chris Torek
2004-02-09  9:55           ` Preben Randhol
2004-02-11 10:19         ` Jerry Coffin
2004-02-11 15:34           ` Pat Rogers
2004-02-17  1:14           ` Richard  Riehle
2004-02-07 21:03     ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  0:25     ` David Starner
2004-02-08  1:00       ` Ludovic Brenta
2004-02-08  2:29         ` David Starner
2004-02-08 16:02           ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08 20:55             ` David Starner
2004-02-09 17:39               ` Alexandre E. Kopilovitch
2004-02-08  2:54       ` Nick Landsberg
2004-02-07 16:51   ` No call for it Jano
2004-02-07 17:53     ` Ed Falis
2004-02-10 11:13 No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) christoph.grein
2004-02-10 13:00 ` Marin David Condic
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