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From: Matthew Heaney <matthew_heaney@acm.org>
Subject: Re: Why C++ is successful
Date: 1998/08/02
Date: 1998-08-02T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3af5ouqfx.fsf@mheaney.ni.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 35C3FAFD.DDA89121@earthlink.net

Jay Martin <jaymmartin@earthlink.net> writes:

> The mismanagement is that the DOD did not push Ada beyond the immediate
> requirements of defense embedded systems.

This statement is a bit ironic, since you often hear the opposite
complaint: that Ada (83) went too far in trying to be an all-purpose
language, and that the DoD should have settled for a _smaller_ language,
with only the features specifically required for "defense embedded
systems."

It was during his Turing Award speech that Tony Hoare warned that "the
fate of mankind" was a stake because Ada included ... exceptions!
Imagine what he'd say about a language that mandated garbage collection.

The perception in the software community (largely due to Hoare's speech)
was that Ada was "too large and complex."  You would never have sold the
language had it thrown in a garbage collector too.

And as Robert has pointed out in this and other threads, GNAT customers
aren't much interested in GC.

Matt

P.S.  The debate about languages being "complex" vs "feature-rich" was
debated a few weeks back on comp.object.  Get thee to dejanews for the
gory details.  (Hint: Ada is a large language, but not "complex" in the
sense that is usually bandied about.)




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1998-07-25  0:00                 ` Bug story Fergus Henderson
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
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1998-07-28  0:00           ` Why C++ is successful Rakesh Malhotra
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Tom Moran
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00             ` Dave Martin
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Rakesh Malhotra
1998-07-29  0:00               ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` nabbasi
1998-08-08  0:00                   ` Michael Young
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-07-29  0:00               ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Juan Carlos Gil Montoro
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-07-30  0:00                       ` dennison
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Pat Rogers
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                       ` Larry Elmore
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-01  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1998-07-30  0:00                         ` Ell
1998-07-29  0:00                 ` Brian Rogoff
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` John McCabe
1998-07-29  0:00                   ` Charles Hixson
1998-07-29  0:00                     ` falis
1998-07-30  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-07-31  0:00                       ` Charles Hixson
1998-08-01  0:00                     ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-01  0:00                         ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney [this message]
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Lars Farm
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                                 ` Lars Farm
1998-08-10  0:00                               ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-02  0:00                           ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-02  0:00                             ` Jay Martin
1998-08-02  0:00                               ` Matthew Heaney
1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
1998-08-07  0:00 ` Jason Stokes
1998-08-08  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-10  0:00     ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-11  0:00     ` n
1998-08-14  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
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1998-08-14  0:00           ` Robert L. Spooner
1998-08-10  0:00   ` Darren New
1998-08-07  0:00 ` harald.mueller
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-07  0:00   ` Brian Rogoff
1998-08-07  0:00     ` Timothy Welch
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Dale Stanbrough
1998-08-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-08  0:00           ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-10  0:00           ` Laurent GUERBY
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Andy Ward
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Matt Kennel
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-13  0:00                 ` nasser
1998-08-19  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-14  0:00                   ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Martin
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Rick Smith
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                           ` Rick Smith
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                     ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-17  0:00                         ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
1998-08-16  0:00                       ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-15  0:00                   ` Mr Ada
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Ell
1998-08-17  0:00                   ` Robert I. Eachus
1998-08-17  0:00                     ` Patrick Logan
1998-08-18  0:00                       ` Samuel Tardieu
1998-08-14  0:00                 ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-18  0:00                     ` Martin Tom Brown
1998-08-16  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1998-08-16  0:00                     ` Patrick Doyle
1998-08-11  0:00           ` stilcom
1998-08-12  0:00             ` Jeffrey C. Dege
1998-08-12  0:00               ` Andrew Koenig
1998-08-14  0:00               ` Stefan Tilkov
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Phlip
1998-08-08  0:00         ` Larry Elmore
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1998-08-06  0:00 Robert Dewar
1998-08-06  0:00 ` William Clodius
1998-08-06  0:00 ` Martin Dowie
1998-08-22  0:00 dewar
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