Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[John English]

Robert Dewar wrote:
> Warning: non-Ada diversion
> 
> P.S. is aesthetics an allowable spelling in American
> english? I don't have an American dictionary at hand.
> The OED only permits the use of "e" or the ae letter
> which I can't even write in this ASCII character set,
> but does not permit a separate a and e character.

"Aesthetic" is, of course, perfectly normal for English English,
but I've got no idea about American English. My copy of Chambers
says this:
  "aesthetic: orig. relating to perception by the senses: generally
   relating to possessing, or pretending to, a sense of beauty;
   artistic or affecting to be artistic."

So I suppose aesthetic is the aesthetic spelling... ;-)

  "esthesia, esthesiogen, etc. US spellings of aesthesia, etc."

I trust Chambers implicitly (it's one of the few dictionaries that
includes that wonderful word "taghairm") so if they are happy
with "ae" rather than a ligature, I'm happy too. The OED is a
bit stuffy about these things sometimes.

How do Americans spell "anaesthetic"? Is it "anesthetic" perchance?

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Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[Graeme]

John English wrote:

> Robert Dewar wrote:
> > Warning: non-Ada diversion
> >
> > P.S. is aesthetics an allowable spelling in American
> > english? I don't have an American dictionary at hand.
> > The OED only permits the use of "e" or the ae letter
> > which I can't even write in this ASCII character set,
> > but does not permit a separate a and e character.
>
> "Aesthetic" is, of course, perfectly normal for English English,
> but I've got no idea about American English. My copy of Chambers
> says this:
>   "aesthetic: orig. relating to perception by the senses: generally
>    relating to possessing, or pretending to, a sense of beauty;
>    artistic or affecting to be artistic."
>
> So I suppose aesthetic is the aesthetic spelling... ;-)
>
>   "esthesia, esthesiogen, etc. US spellings of aesthesia, etc."
>
> I trust Chambers implicitly (it's one of the few dictionaries that
> includes that wonderful word "taghairm") so if they are happy
> with "ae" rather than a ligature, I'm happy too. The OED is a
> bit stuffy about these things sometimes.
>
> How do Americans spell "anaesthetic"? Is it "anesthetic" perchance?
>
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Only half-off topic... off this topic anyway, but John - your burks
resource for students
(in the vernacular) rocks... it is very good... excellent... as is your
Ada textbook...
one or two dud links on the burks site though - the motorola emulator
for PC comes to mind

Aesthetics (like, wayyyy off topic) - in philosophy, aesthetics applies
to the mind... in a round-about-way
- so though we may say that something is beautiful as we perceive it...
and attribute
aesthetic merit to that entity or object... philosophy looks a lot into
into the relationship
between our perceptions and that which we believe we perceive... which
has pretty well
bugger-all to do with ada or programming... perhaps.  Some
mathematicians "know"
when a theory (or solution to a theory, whatever) is correct by the
innate beauty of
that aesthetic entity they perceive in their mind's eye... I imagine
that a (good) programmer
also knows when their solution is on the right track because of some
symmetry or harmony to the system
under analysis or construction... perhaps Ada makes this mental
visualisation/comprehension a little
more intuitive by its architecture ?  As a program under analysis or
construction is itself an object of conscious
(and unconscious ?) apprehension, perhaps you hard-core professionals
intuit your way to the best solutions to a problem
by the most "attractive" possible solution ?  Which begs my question:
"Is a symmetrical (in the sense of harmonious,
well-ordered, coherent) design also an effective one ?"   I don't
know... I am just a lowly student.... drowning in technical
documentation with no end in sight.

I will be offline for a while... so - no more of my utter irrelevancies
for a while...
but i do enjoy reading the technical discussions... thanks, all... :-)
:-)

G

Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[Marin David Condic]

I just love when the Word Scientists get started! :-) Being something of
an etymologist myself, I often find this interesting. Guess it can't be
helped if you assemble a bunch of Language Lawyers into a room.

Any way to wander this thread back to Ada? Or should it be AEda? (betcha
thought I couldn't do it!)

MDC

John English wrote:

> "Aesthetic" is, of course, perfectly normal for English English,
> but I've got no idea about American English. My copy of Chambers
> says this:
>   "aesthetic: orig. relating to perception by the senses: generally
>    relating to possessing, or pretending to, a sense of beauty;
>    artistic or affecting to be artistic."
>
> So I suppose aesthetic is the aesthetic spelling... ;-)
>
>   "esthesia, esthesiogen, etc. US spellings of aesthesia, etc."
>
> I trust Chambers implicitly (it's one of the few dictionaries that
> includes that wonderful word "taghairm") so if they are happy
> with "ae" rather than a ligature, I'm happy too. The OED is a
> bit stuffy about these things sometimes.
>
> How do Americans spell "anaesthetic"? Is it "anesthetic" perchance?
>
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>  Dept. of Computing        | ** NON-PROFIT CD FOR CS STUDENTS **
>  University of Brighton    |    -- see http://burks.bton.ac.uk
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Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[Brian Rogoff]

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, John English wrote:
> How do Americans spell "anaesthetic"? Is it "anesthetic" perchance?

Yes. Our wonderfully tolerant Merriam-Webster also accepts the UK variants. 
Swinging this back to ADA, I have no idea what the American Dental Association 
prefers. Next time I need novacaine I'll ask to see the label. :-)

-- Brian

Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[John English]

Brian Rogoff wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 14 Dec 2000, John English wrote:
> > How do Americans spell "anaesthetic"? Is it "anesthetic" perchance?
> 
> Yes. Our wonderfully tolerant Merriam-Webster also accepts the UK variants.
> Swinging this back to ADA, I have no idea what the American Dental Association
> prefers. Next time I need novacaine I'll ask to see the label. :-)

A nice segue back to a parallel-to-on-topic track... (applause!) ;-)

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RE: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[Beard, Frank]

-----Original Message-----
From: Graeme [mailto:bitstorm@bigpond.com]

> Aesthetics (like, wayyyy off topic) - in philosophy, aesthetics
> applies to the mind... in a round-about-way - so though we may
> say that something is beautiful as we perceive it... and attribute
> aesthetic merit to that entity or object... philosophy looks a lot
> into into the relationship between our perceptions and that which
> we believe we perceive... which has pretty well bugger-all to do
> with ada or programming... perhaps.

Finally, someone who grasps what I was trying to say.

> Some mathematicians "know" when a theory (or solution to a theory,
> whatever) is correct by the innate beauty of that aesthetic entity
> they perceive in their mind's eye... I imagine that a (good)
> programmer also knows when their solution is on the right track
> because of some symmetry or harmony to the system under analysis
> or construction... perhaps Ada makes this mental visualisation/
> comprehension a little more intuitive by its architecture ?

So long as it readable ;-)  Thanks for expounding.

> Which begs my question:
> "Is a symmetrical (in the sense of harmonious, well-ordered,
> coherent) design also an effective one ?"   I don't know...
> I am just a lowly student....

Sounds like you do know.  I would hire you.

Frank

Re: American English (was: Bad coding standards)

[Ronald Cole]

"Beard, Frank" <beardf@spawar.navy.mil> writes:
> From: Graeme [mailto:bitstorm@bigpond.com]
> > Which begs my question:
> > "Is a symmetrical (in the sense of harmonious, well-ordered,
> > coherent) design also an effective one ?"   I don't know...
> > I am just a lowly student....
> 
> Sounds like you do know.  I would hire you.

It takes a human mind to percieve order in chaos...  Value is
inversely proportional to the effort it takes, however.  ;)

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