From: Ronald Cole <ronald@devo.ridgecrest.ca.us>
Subject: Re: what DOES the GPL really say?
Date: 1997/08/29
Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2zpq0h7uc.fsf@devo.ridgecrest.ca.us> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 5tujkj$qr9$1@news.nyu.edu
kenner@lab.ultra.nyu.edu (Richard Kenner) writes:
> In article <m2afi6t3xq.fsf@devo.ridgecrest.ca.us> Ronald Cole <ronald@devo.ridgecrest.ca.us> writes:
> >Oh, bullshit, Richard... The GPL plainly says "To protect your
> >rights, we need to make restrictions that forbid anyone to deny you
> >these rights or to ask you to surrender the rights."
> >
> >It seems clear that "discouraging free distribution" is equivalent
> >in effect to asking you to surrender the right to distribute.
>
> That's correct, though I'd use the word "waive" rather than
> "surrender".
Dewar posted that he feels that he is within the "letter *and the
spirit*" of the GPL when he *asks* his "wavefront" customers not to
redistribute that which he distributes. I, however, feel that by
doing so, he has violated the "spirit" of the GPL (since the quoted
clause is found in the preamble and doesn't appear to be present in
the enumerated sections).
> But the key point that this is *asking*, not *requiring*.
Still, the GPL says "To protect your rights, we need to make
restrictions that forbid anyone to ... *ask* you to surrender the
rights" and then fails to actually enumerate such a restriction (a
loophole which apparently both Stallman and Dewar use to discourage
"runaway snapshots").
Are we in agreement then (that the GPL needs to be made more
consistent; if not with the Manifesto, then at least with itself)?
On another subject, Dewar once stated that he had asked Stallman about
basing a public release of GNAT on one of the gcc snapshots, and the
resulting reaction was what swore him off of allowing wide
distribution of "wavefront" releases. Now that the egcs project has
reared it's (ugly? we'll wait and see) head, should Dewar consider
basing the next public release of GNAT upon an egcs snapshot? (It
really would be nice to be able to build gcc, g++, f77, and GNAT from
a unified source tree without having to apply two differing patch
files and hoping for the best...)
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1997-05-28 0:00 gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-05-29 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-07 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <m2vi3kpuay.fsf@devo.ridgenet.net>
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Stephen Leake
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 CHARLET Arnaud
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Samuel Tardieu
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Andrew Lynch
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-19 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Arthur Schwarz
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Building gnat-3.10 from source (was: gnat-3.10) Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-20 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-22 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-27 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Fergus Henderson
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Philip Brashear
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-10 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-11 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Daniel R Risacher
1997-07-04 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Joerg Rodemann
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Corey Minyard
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Spam Hater
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Paul D. Smith
1997-06-25 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Stanbrough
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Richard Kenner
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` GLADE and GPL (was: what DOES the GPL really say?) Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <dewar.867556141@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.867554947@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Kai Henningsen
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` kdp0101
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Olivier Galibert
[not found] ` <dewar.867554739@merv>
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Watts
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Olivier Galibert
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Bill Gribble
1997-07-09 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
[not found] ` <5pmg6e$nai$1@Venus.mcs.net>
1997-07-05 0:00 ` user
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-06 0:00 ` user
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-22 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-23 0:00 ` W. Wesley Groleau x4923
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-24 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-25 0:00 ` B.Stephens
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-24 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-21 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-04 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-05 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-08-09 0:00 ` David Masterson
1997-08-11 0:00 ` David Kastrup
[not found] ` <dewar.870872644@merv>
[not found] ` <dewar.870873584@merv>
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-13 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-17 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Mike Stump
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Thomas Koenig
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <EFIyr0.Erq@kithrup.com>
[not found] ` <34032CE9.77E@link.com>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <5u11n0$emm@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-27 0:00 ` Simon Wright
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Paul Lyon
1997-08-22 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-21 0:00 ` egcs (Re: what DOES the GPL really say?) Marinos J. Yannikos
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Andreas Schwab
1997-08-20 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Ronald Cole
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-25 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-09-02 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-02 0:00 ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-03 0:00 ` Hwa-Jin Bae
1997-09-07 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Mark Wooding
1997-09-09 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-09-08 0:00 ` Ted Goldblatt
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <33E974F3.1AAC@ix.netcom.com>
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-12 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-21 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
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1997-09-01 0:00 ` Craig Burley
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1997-09-02 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-09-05 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-09-06 0:00 ` Remy Card
1997-09-07 0:00 ` rosalia
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1997-09-11 0:00 ` egcs. Was: " David Kastrup
1997-08-13 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-23 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Scott Michel
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1997-07-07 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Michael F Brenner
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-02 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? David Weller
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Mark Atwood
1997-07-02 0:00 ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Pascal Obry
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Joerg Rodemann
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-14 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Jerry van Dijk
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