From: Ronald Cole <ronald@ridgenet.net>
Subject: Re: what DOES the GPL really say?
Date: 1997/07/21
Date: 1997-07-21T00:00:00+00:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2u3hof1w3.fsf@devo.ridgenet.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: dewar.869494262@merv
dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes:
> Nope, I just think you don't understand things very well, even after
> all this discussion. You apparently think that people should be forced
> (by threat of fines? jail? ...?) to give you their software. Sorry,
> the world is not like that, and the GPL *definitely* does not have this
> in mind.
This just shows that you still don't understand my argument. I'll spell
it out for you yet again...
According to the Manifesto, Stallman had to write GNU so that he could
share it with other people who liked it *and* so that everyone would
be able to obtain good system software free. Stallman also said that
he is required to consider it wrong for one to hoard information. I
believe the GPL should embody these principles because no one is
forced to use GNU software. If you received and modified GNU
software, you shouldn't be required to share it, *unless* you have
engaged in the act of "distribution".
Once you have distributed, being selective about further distributions
is indistinguishable from "hoarding", and I believe Stallman is
morally bound to consider it wrong (assuming he actually meant what
he wrote in the Manifesto).
I've stated that I don't believe making snapshots available for
testing to be "distributing". However, you've previously posted that
3.10 is the latest "production release" of GNAT and that ACT's
customers have been enjoying it for quite a while. *That*, in my
opinion, is the act of "distributing".
You are free to believe that being selective in distributing is not
tantamount to hoarding, but you have yet to provide an argument to
support that belief.
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1997-05-28 0:00 gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-05-29 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-05-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-07 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <m2vi3kpuay.fsf@devo.ridgenet.net>
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-12 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-13 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 CHARLET Arnaud
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Samuel Tardieu
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Pontius
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Andrew Lynch
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-18 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-19 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Arthur Schwarz
1997-06-16 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-16 0:00 ` Building gnat-3.10 from source (was: gnat-3.10) Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-17 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-17 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-20 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-22 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-27 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Daniel R Risacher
1997-07-04 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Joerg Rodemann
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 David Kastrup
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-03 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Philip Brashear
1997-07-08 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-10 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Ronald Cole
1997-07-11 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-06-30 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Fergus Henderson
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Larry Kilgallen
1997-06-28 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Corey Minyard
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-23 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-24 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Spam Hater
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-25 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-25 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Dale Stanbrough
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 James Rogers
1997-07-02 0:00 ` gnat-3.10 Robert Dewar
1997-06-25 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Paul D. Smith
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-27 0:00 ` kdp0101
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Kai Henningsen
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` user
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Stephen Leake
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Thomas Bushnell, n/BSG
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Samuel Mize
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Wes Groleau
1997-06-26 0:00 ` GLADE and GPL (was: what DOES the GPL really say?) Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-27 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-06-30 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-02 0:00 ` David Weller
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Stefan Monnier
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` David Kastrup
[not found] ` <dewar.867556141@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
[not found] ` <dewar.867554947@merv>
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Roy T. Fielding
1997-06-26 0:00 ` what DOES the GPL really say? Richard Kenner
1997-06-26 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-06-27 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-28 0:00 ` Olivier Galibert
[not found] ` <dewar.867554739@merv>
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-06-30 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-01 0:00 ` Richard Watts
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1997-07-03 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-04 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
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1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Bill Gribble
1997-07-09 0:00 ` David Kastrup
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-09 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
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1997-07-05 0:00 ` user
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Paul Eggert
1997-07-07 0:00 ` Leslie Mikesell
1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-07-06 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-05 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-08 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Steve Peltz
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-14 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-20 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-07-23 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-07-24 0:00 ` Isaac
1997-07-25 0:00 ` B.Stephens
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Joe Buck
1997-07-27 0:00 ` Richard Kenner
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
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1997-07-21 0:00 ` Samuel Tardieu
1997-07-23 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-07-29 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-07-30 0:00 ` Chris Morgan
1997-08-04 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-05 0:00 ` David Kastrup
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1997-08-13 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-15 0:00 ` Isaac
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1997-08-16 0:00 ` Robert Dewar
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1997-08-19 0:00 ` Ronald Cole
1997-08-20 0:00 ` Mike Stump
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