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From: Jeffrey Carter <spam.jrcarter.not@spam.not.acm.org>
Subject: Re: F-22 ADA Programming
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:24:12 -0700
Date: 2014-10-26T16:24:12-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2jvqm$qpc$2@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f4e05c1d-e52e-44f1-84e1-3814e526c469@googlegroups.com>

On 10/26/2014 02:20 PM, David Botton wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately Ada tends to be used as a scapegoat for managers sometimes for
> reasons things get held up etc, but here is one point valid point (also here
> is more info about how much of the F-22 is in Ada):
> 
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1110502/posts
> 
> "ADA didn't work out as expected, but some 80 percent of the F-22 code is
> still written in ADA. Getting good ADA programmers was always a problem, as
> ADA never caught on outside the Department of Defense. As a result of the
> limited pool of programmers would could work on the F-22 software, quality
> and imagination (in the design of the software) suffered."

"Lack of Ada developers" is also a false complaint. Here on c.l.a we all know
that there are Ada developers looking for Ada work and unable to find it. We
also know that teaching Ada to a good developer is a cost-saving exercise. The
real complaint is that they couldn't get people with Ada experience as cheaply
as people with experience in other languages. Generally they want to hire lots
of poor developers, since that maximizes profit on cost-plus contracts, and Ada
people tend not to fall into that category.

-- 
Jeff Carter
"Why, the Mayflower was full of Fireflies, and a few
horseflies, too. The Fireflies were on the upper deck,
and the horseflies were on the Fireflies."
Duck Soup
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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-26 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-26 18:31 F-22 ADA Programming nathandsash
2014-10-26 19:02 ` Martyn Pike
2014-10-26 21:20 ` David Botton
2014-10-26 23:24   ` Jeffrey Carter [this message]
2014-10-26 23:55     ` David Botton
2014-11-14 22:54       ` rriehle
2014-11-14 23:46         ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-11-15  6:43           ` wilson
2014-11-15 17:49             ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-11-15 21:28         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-16  9:57           ` Jean François Martinez
2014-11-16 22:26             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-17  0:33               ` Jean François Martinez
2014-10-27  0:13     ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27  0:31       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 10:17         ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 10:47           ` J-P. Rosen
2014-10-27 15:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 22:32           ` Randy Brukardt
2014-10-27  6:28       ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27 15:04     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 15:17       ` Björn Lundin
2014-10-27 15:41       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-27 16:01         ` Robert A Duff
2014-10-27 20:16         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28  8:45         ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-10-28 11:58           ` Bill White
2014-10-28 14:56             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:36               ` Bill White
2014-10-28 18:29           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 18:37             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 19:14               ` David Botton
2014-10-28 21:06               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-28 21:32                 ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-28 21:37                 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-28 23:59                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  0:34                     ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-29  5:24                       ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29  8:37                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 17:20                           ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 20:43                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-29 20:55                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-29 21:40                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-30  8:56                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-08  4:52                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08  8:12                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-30 15:38                             ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-30 15:49                               ` Alan Jump
2014-10-30 22:33                                 ` Dennis Lee Bieber
2014-10-30 23:13                                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-10-30 16:07                               ` Bill White
2014-10-30 22:37                                 ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-10-31  9:41                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-31 12:51                                     ` Brad Moore
2014-11-01  3:03                                     ` C versus Ada (once again :-)), was: " Simon Clubley
2014-11-01 13:35                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03  1:54                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:42                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-11-03 12:07                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-04  2:01                                             ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 14:26                                           ` Brian Drummond
2014-11-01 13:46                                       ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03  2:01                                         ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03  9:10                                           ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-03 12:09                                           ` Luke A. Guest
2014-11-03 12:40                                       ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-03 21:58                                         ` Shark8
2014-11-03 22:28                                           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-11-04 13:42                                           ` Florian Weimer
2014-11-04 15:01                                             ` G.B.
2014-11-04 15:50                                               ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-31 10:11                                   ` Bill White
2014-10-31 12:52                                     ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 15:40                                       ` Bill White
2014-11-02 22:23                                         ` Maciej Sobczak
2014-11-02 22:52                                           ` Peter Chapin
2014-11-03  1:36                                           ` Simon Clubley
2014-11-03 19:04                                           ` Laurent
2014-10-31 13:24                               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2014-11-08  4:45                 ` Randy Brukardt
2014-11-08 23:43                   ` Shark8
2014-11-09  8:39                     ` Simon Wright
2014-11-09 20:53                       ` Shark8
2014-10-28 19:18             ` Simon Clubley
2014-10-27 16:34       ` David Botton
2014-10-27 16:51         ` brbarkstrom
2014-10-27 18:03           ` G.B.
2014-10-27 22:06             ` Simon Wright
2014-10-28  9:40               ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-10-27 20:06         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-10-27 20:21           ` David Botton
2014-10-28 11:34       ` tonyg
2014-10-27 17:01     ` Pascal Obry
2014-10-27  4:53 ` Jerry Petrey
2014-10-29  1:49   ` F-35 (was:F-22 ADA Programming) Robert Love
2014-10-30  9:01     ` Frédéric Praca
2014-10-30  9:07       ` Frédéric Praca
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