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From: Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk>
Subject: Revocable or non-revocable licenses from AdaCore? (Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:35:44 +0200
Date: 2006-07-18T13:35:44+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m2ac77du27.fsf_-_@hugin.crs4.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 1153220326.967685.309610@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com

Ludovic Brenta wrote:

> - because license terms can change with the weather, or be different
> for each licensee. They can even change after a licensee has had a
> license for some time.
>
> This is true of all software, free or proprietary, cost or no cost.

Not quite.  GPL, LGPL and GMGPL are all explicitly non-revocable.
AdaCore _cannot_ change a license after it has been given, if it is
one of these three - no matter what they claim.

> So basically, the user needs assurance about two things: who the
> copyright holder really is, and what license terms are applicable at
> any given point in time and for this particular licensee.

If a file for a long time has been available for download from the
copyright holder's own web site with a clear and consistent license
notice, then I doubt very much that there is any doubt about which
license you have it under if you have downloaded it during that
period.

> To give proper assurance on both accounts, I think that the
> copyright holder should crypto-sign his software, and grant a
> perpetual, non-revokable, immutable license to
> everyone. Unfortunately, the GPL (GNAT-modified or not) is revokable
> and mutable (think "or any later version"), so it is possible that
> it not apply to all licensees.

GPL is _not_ revokable.  The "or any later version" clause is purely
an option for the licensee, not something the copyright holder can
use.

Greetings,

Jacob
-- 
�Saving keystrokes is the job of the text editor, not the
 programming language.�                    -- Preben Randhol



  reply	other threads:[~2006-07-18 11:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-06-27 10:58 Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 11:48 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-27 13:13   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:16     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:14       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 20:26         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 16:38     ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-27 17:58       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  0:24         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:09           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28  7:45             ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 13:07               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:07                 ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 22:26                   ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30 16:46                     ` Martin Krischik
2006-07-01  8:20                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-02 12:10                         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28 20:26               ` Simon Wright
2006-06-29 17:45           ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-30  8:55             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  7:28         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-28  8:07           ` No relicense everything now! (was: Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 13:14             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:53           ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 20:31             ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-30  8:40               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:19               ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-29 22:06             ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-30  8:46               ` M E Leypold
2006-06-30 15:21               ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-28  0:18       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:12         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 22:45           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 21:54         ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28 22:57           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:06       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28  7:49         ` Martin Krischik
2006-06-29 17:43       ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 23:10     ` Jeffrey Creem
2006-06-28  2:23       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 17:40     ` Stephen Leake
2006-06-27 15:00   ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:49     ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  0:06       ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:22         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:58           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 10:19             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-04 22:13               ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:55             ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-04 20:29               ` Simon Wright
2006-07-04 22:34                 ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 22:20               ` M E Leypold
2006-07-14 13:11                 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-14 15:14                   ` michael bode
2006-07-14 19:58                   ` M E Leypold
2006-07-17 20:13                     ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-17 21:24                       ` Michael Bode
2006-07-17 22:23                         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-18  0:38                           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18  7:40                             ` michael bode
2006-07-18 10:22                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 11:55                                 ` michael bode
2006-07-18 19:46                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-07-18 19:55                                     ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 10:58                               ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-18 11:35                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen [this message]
2006-07-18 20:37                                   ` Revocable or non-revocable licenses from AdaCore? (Re: AdaCore ... the Next SCO?) Samuel Tardieu
2006-07-18 12:55                                 ` AdaCore ... the Next SCO? michael bode
2006-07-18 13:26                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2006-07-18 19:11                                     ` Michael Bode
2006-07-18 20:33                                       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-07-20 21:55                                     ` Björn Persson
2006-07-18 14:22                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2006-06-28 14:27       ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 15:22         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 15:36         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 20:18         ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29  7:09           ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-29 20:01         ` Björn Persson
2006-06-30  8:52           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-03 22:02         ` Hyman Rosen
2006-07-03 23:55           ` M E Leypold
2006-07-04 18:07           ` Michael Bode
2006-07-04 22:18             ` M E Leypold
2006-07-18 10:18           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2006-06-28  5:58   ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 13:04     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-29 22:46       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30  7:01         ` Martin Dowie
2006-07-01  8:48           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-30  8:39         ` M E Leypold
2006-07-01  8:58           ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 13:46 ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Alex R. Mosteo
2006-06-27 14:40 ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 14:52   ` What luck we had M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:13     ` Pascal Obry
2006-06-28 13:39       ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 19:20         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:40     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2006-06-28  0:02       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:57   ` Ada in Debian: most libraries will switch to the pure GPL in Etch Ed Falis
2006-06-28  0:58     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:45       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:10   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  1:02     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 15:00 ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 15:28   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 15:38     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 16:40     ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-27 17:45       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2006-06-27 21:18       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  0:45         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  0:48         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 10:51         ` Dr. Adrian Wrigley
2006-06-28 11:14           ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 11:21             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 12:41               ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 13:36             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 13:31           ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  0:42       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 19:24       ` Simon Wright
2006-06-28 23:00         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 18:50     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  0:50       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:25     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  0:52       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 19:39     ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-27 20:47       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28  0:53         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 18:57         ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 13:50     ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 14:16       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:14         ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:55           ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 19:54       ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-29  6:12       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen
2006-06-28 19:22     ` Simon Wright
2006-06-27 18:39 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 19:28   ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 19:39     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:09       ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 20:23         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-27 20:53           ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-27 22:53             ` Björn Persson
2006-06-28  5:11               ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28  1:29             ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  1:18         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  6:07         ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 17:58           ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 18:17             ` Ed Falis
2006-06-28 18:55             ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-30 19:55               ` Preben Randhol
2006-06-28 18:57             ` Georg Bauhaus
2006-06-28 19:28               ` Frank J. Lhota
2006-06-28 19:38                 ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:17             ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 20:48             ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28  1:07     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 21:07   ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-27 21:19     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28  1:40       ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28  1:35     ` M E Leypold
2006-06-28 11:57   ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 18:45     ` Michael Bode
2006-06-28 19:51     ` Ludovic Brenta
2006-06-28 20:46       ` Florian Weimer
2006-06-28 23:06         ` M E Leypold
2006-06-27 22:44 ` Simon Wright
2006-07-03 18:21 ` Matthew Goulet
2006-07-04  7:21   ` Ludovic Brenta
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