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From: Jacob Sparre Andersen <sparre@nbi.dk>
Subject: Re: Data table text I/O package?
Date: 21 Jun 2005 14:35:19 +0200
Date: 2005-06-21T14:35:19+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m264w7ga60.fsf@hugin.crs4.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 42b7f58e$0$1134$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net

Georg Bauhaus wrote:
> Jacob Sparre Andersen wrote:

> > Unlike Ada, XML is _not_ human-readable.
> 
> First, this has been claimed many times without even an indication
> of why this might be so. Again, compare
> 
>   <Date year = "2006" month = "December" day = "24"/>
> 
> and
> 
>   Date'(year => 2006, month => -"December", day => 24);
> 
> Could it be that you just don't like reading angle brackets?

I definitely don't like reading _any_ brackets, when I'm looking at
data.

> Do the <...> smell like C++'s template parameter brackets?

They may.  But neither of the above two notations are sensible, when I
am playing with 30 � 55k matrices.

> Again, habits? I won't say that XML *looks* nice, but it's purpose
> is not to look nice, this is not a Miss Dataformat Competition where
> you cannot win without rounded curves o.K. by the lates fashion.
> XML is supposed to support identifing data in text form.

Yes.  But for tabular data XML has much too much overhead and is thus
too difficult to read.

> > And if I want an error-correcting file format which isn't
> > human-readable, there are plenty to choose from, which are faster than
> > XML.
> 
> Such as...?
> ASN.1 perhaps?

I am not sure if ASN.1 includes error-correction, but it was one of
the options I had on my mind, when I wrote the sentence.  A much more
effective format would be based on an instantiation of Ada.Direct_IO
with some kind of checksum included in Element_Type.  My astrophysics
colleagues also have a nice format for multidimensional tables, but I
can't remember the name at the moment.

Jacob
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  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-21 12:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-15  9:57 Data table text I/O package? Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-06-15 11:43 ` Preben Randhol
2005-06-15 13:35   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-06-15 14:12     ` Preben Randhol
2005-06-15 15:02       ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-06-15 16:17         ` Preben Randhol
2005-06-15 16:58           ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-15 17:30             ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-15 18:41               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-15 19:09                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-15 18:58         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-06-16  9:55           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-06-16 10:53             ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-16 12:24               ` Robert A Duff
2005-06-16 14:01               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-16 12:27                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-16 14:46                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-16 14:51                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-20 11:19                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-20 11:39                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-20 18:25                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-20 18:45                             ` Preben Randhol
2005-06-20 18:54                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-21  9:24                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-21  9:52                                 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-06-21 11:10                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-21 12:35                                     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen [this message]
2005-06-21 10:42                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-21 11:41                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-21 12:44                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-21 21:01                                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-22 12:15                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-22 22:24                                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-23  9:03                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-23  9:47                                               ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-23 10:34                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-23 11:37                                                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-23 12:59                                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-06-23 14:16                                               ` Marc A. Criley
2005-06-25 16:38                               ` Simon Wright
2005-06-16 13:26                 ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-16 18:10                   ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-06-30  3:02             ` Randy Brukardt
2005-06-30 18:43               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2005-07-01  1:22                 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-01  3:01                   ` Alexander E. Kopilovich
2005-07-01  5:59                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2005-07-02  1:54                     ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-02 10:24                       ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2005-07-06 22:04                         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-06-30 19:24               ` Björn Persson
2005-07-01  0:54                 ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-01 21:36                   ` TSV and CSV Björn Persson
2005-07-01 22:08                     ` Martin Dowie
2005-07-02  0:05                       ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-02  1:10                         ` Randy Brukardt
2005-07-02  1:20                           ` Ed
2005-07-03  9:08                           ` Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-02  0:07                   ` Data table text I/O package? Georg Bauhaus
2005-07-02  1:21                     ` Randy Brukardt
     [not found]     ` <20050615141236.GA90053@pvv.org>
2005-06-15 15:40       ` Marius Amado Alves
2005-06-15 19:18         ` Oliver Kellogg
2005-06-17  9:02           ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
     [not found]       ` <7adf1648bb99ca2bb4055ed8e6e381f4@netcabo.pt>
2005-06-15 15:46         ` Preben Randhol
     [not found]         ` <20050615154640.GA1921@pvv.org>
2005-06-15 16:14           ` Marius Amado Alves
     [not found]           ` <f04ccd7efd67fe197cc14cda89340779@netcabo.pt>
2005-06-15 16:20             ` Preben Randhol
2005-06-15 19:30 ` Simon Wright
2005-06-15 22:40 ` Lionel Draghi
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