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From: "G.B." <bauhaus@futureapps.invalid>
Subject: Re: Integers and Mathematical Correctness
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 13:10:52 +0200
Date: 2014-10-02T13:10:52+02:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m0jbrs$q0h$1@dont-email.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9ae867ea-50da-40ef-bd56-3d6dd62d34e6@googlegroups.com>

On 01.10.14 21:48, vincent.diemunsch@gmail.com wrote:
> But now that we have operator overloading and that I use it for rationals or symbolic expression, I am bothered that an integer division has exactly the syntax I would like to use for a rational number...

A story about John von Neumann has him say something like
"what a waste of valuable programmer time", when approached by
someone enthusiastically demonstrating early Fortran syntax,
assuming that source texts looking "like math" rather than "like
assembler" would help.

In fact, I think that, provided that one is using languages
not specifically made for mathematics, distracting peoples'
attention from computing devices by way of "math like"
syntax is a terrible mistake.  It is the prime invitation
to not think about the thing you are programming, and then
make corresponding mistakes, led by the wrong assumptions.

Computer formalisms deserve their own syntax. It does not
make them non-mathematical. Operators that are not operating
like the ones you learned at school should never look like
those.  Cf. C's INT_MAX + 1 ... or feed the following program
to GNAT's default compilation to watch "+" in action:

procedure Plus is
    X : Integer := Integer'Last;
begin
    for Y in Integer loop
       X := X + 1;
    end loop;
end Plus;



  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-02 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-31 20:27 Integers and Mathematical Correctness chris.danx
2001-10-31 21:21 ` David C. Hoos
2001-10-31 22:16   ` chris.danx
2001-10-31 22:47     ` David C. Hoos
2001-10-31 22:55       ` chris.danx
2001-10-31 23:16         ` Matthew Heaney
2001-10-31 21:42 ` Mark Johnson
2001-11-01 18:57   ` Mark Johnson
2001-11-01 14:32 ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-01 16:18   ` wilhelm.spickermann
2001-11-01 16:48   ` chris.danx
2001-11-01 15:45 ` Charles Sampson
2001-11-01 16:20   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-03 17:02     ` Richard Riehle
2001-11-05 14:47       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-06  3:53         ` Eric G. Miller
2001-11-06  4:28           ` James Rogers
2001-11-06  6:06             ` peter
2001-11-06 14:48               ` James Rogers
2001-11-06 15:54                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-07  3:44             ` Eric G. Miller
2001-11-01 17:10   ` chris.danx
2001-11-01 17:52     ` Chad Robert Meiners
2001-11-01 19:02       ` chris.danx
2001-11-01 17:57     ` Wes Groleau
2001-11-03 14:57     ` Charles Sampson
2001-11-01 16:11 ` Charles Lindsey
2001-11-01 18:40   ` Wilhelm Spickermann
2001-11-01 19:18   ` chris.danx
2001-11-02  1:37     ` Steven Deller
2014-09-26  9:07       ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-09-26 16:38         ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-26 16:58           ` AdaMagica
2014-09-26 17:51             ` Adam Beneschan
2014-09-27  9:01               ` AdaMagica
2014-09-27 10:15                 ` AdaMagica
2014-09-27 16:32                 ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-27 16:49                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2014-09-27 18:52                     ` Niklas Holsti
2014-09-27 18:54                   ` Adam Beneschan
2014-09-27 19:07                     ` Adam Beneschan
     [not found]                 ` <3489504a-f82b-4fec-8a6c-7cb91854dd1e@googlegroups.com>
2014-09-27 19:21                   ` AdaMagica
2014-09-27 11:44           ` gautier_niouzes
2014-09-26 16:41         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-09-26 16:46         ` Adam Beneschan
2014-09-27 15:21           ` vincent.diemunsch
     [not found]             ` <34da5a39-9fa3-4e8e-a3f9-98f61a4ebcc7@googlegroups.com>
2014-09-28  7:47               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-09-29 14:58                 ` Adam Beneschan
2014-09-29 16:25                   ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-10-01 19:48                   ` vincent.diemunsch
2014-10-02 11:10                     ` G.B. [this message]
2001-11-01 18:08 ` Tucker Taft
2001-11-01 18:54 ` David Starner
2001-11-01 21:44   ` Wilhelm Spickermann
2001-11-02 12:52 ` chris.danx
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2001-10-31 22:42 Beard, Frank
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