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From: Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org>
Subject: Re: Enumeration representation clause surprise.
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:21:08 -0700
Date: 2008-06-13T00:21:08-07:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <lnej71hkbf.fsf@nuthaus.mib.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: c3342a0b-2e81-4ac3-a994-35c18df3c3d6@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com

Mike Silva <snarflemike@yahoo.com> writes:
> On Jun 12, 2:41�pm, Markus Sch�pflin <nos...@nospam.org> wrote:
>> Mike Silva schrieb:
[...]
>> > Are you saying now that there's no problem after all?
>>
>> Not at all. The memory layout of the variables is not what I expect it
>> to be, because the compiler silently biased those values. The compiler
>> is perfectly aware of this, as it makes up for the biasing when
>> explicitly querying the value, but this doesn't help at all because I'm
>> interested in the exact bitwise representation.
>>
>> Admittedly, there is an inconsistency in what I'm asking the compiler to
>> do, but that's the whole point: I do not want this inconsistency to be
>> silently 'fixed' by the compiler, I want to get noted about my error to
>> get a chance and fix it myself.
>
> I wonder then if this is an error at all.  IANALL, but if the program
> makes available your specified values when queried with the proper
> mechanism (in this case, unchecked conversion), then I don't see what
> difference it makes how it stores the representations in raw memory.
>
> I'd welcome other comments on the validity or non-validity of this
> view.

If it doesn't make any difference how the representations are stored
in raw memory, then you wouldn't use a representation clause; you'd
let the compiler make any decisions about representation, subject to
the constraint that the code has to produce the right answers.

But if you *do* provide a representation clause, then the
representation clearly *does* matter.  And if the compiler can't
satisfy the requested representation (e.g., because two representation
clauses contradict each other), then the compiler should reject the
compilation unit.

-- 
Keith Thompson (The_Other_Keith) kst-u@mib.org  <http://www.ghoti.net/~kst>
Nokia
"We must do something.  This is something.  Therefore, we must do this."
    -- Antony Jay and Jonathan Lynn, "Yes Minister"



  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-06-13  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-06-11 11:38 Enumeration representation clause surprise Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-11 12:30 ` christoph.grein
2008-06-11 12:56   ` Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-11 13:08     ` christoph.grein
2008-06-11 13:28     ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-11 13:48       ` Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-11 13:56         ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-11 14:58       ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-11 15:23         ` Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-12  2:37           ` Randy Brukardt
2008-06-12  2:37           ` Randy Brukardt
2008-06-11 15:56         ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-11 19:10           ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-11 19:59             ` Niklas Holsti
2008-06-12  1:16               ` tmoran
2008-06-12  8:27                 ` christoph.grein
2008-06-12  8:45               ` Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-12 16:43                 ` Mike Silva
2008-06-12 18:41                   ` Markus Schöpflin
2008-06-12 20:10                     ` Mike Silva
2008-06-12 20:52                       ` Simon Wright
2008-06-12 23:36                         ` Mike Silva
2008-06-13  5:49                           ` Simon Wright
2008-06-13  7:21                       ` Keith Thompson [this message]
2008-06-13 13:31                         ` Mike Silva
2008-06-13 14:45                           ` Markus Schoepflin
2008-06-13 17:52                           ` Keith Thompson
2008-06-13  9:14                       ` Jean-Pierre Rosen
2008-06-12 19:05 ` richtmyer
2008-06-12 21:26   ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-12 22:42     ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-13  7:11       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-13  8:27       ` christoph.grein
2008-06-13 16:21         ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-15 19:33           ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-16 14:50             ` Adam Beneschan
2008-06-16 19:18               ` Robert A Duff
2008-06-17  6:03               ` christoph.grein
2008-06-17  7:22                 ` christoph.grein
2008-06-13  8:24     ` Peter Hermann
2008-06-13 14:47       ` Samuel Tardieu
2008-06-14 11:48         ` John B. Matthews
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