From: "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com>
Subject: Re: OpenSSL development (Heartbleed)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 18:51:12 -0500
Date: 2014-04-21T18:51:12-05:00 [thread overview]
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"Georg Bauhaus" <rm-host.bauhaus@maps.futureapps.de> wrote in message
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> On 19/04/14 18:00, Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57) wrote:
...
>> However you are more likely to get people sticking to good methods, give
>> time and energy for this, if they get something in return.
>
> Well, that again makes for a hypothesis that is so unspecific
> that it fits the same bill: correlation turned causal based on
> likelihood, ceteris paribus.
> E.g., what are the specifics in terms of work hours, pay, and
> project characteristics? Do we have control-group like evidence?
I can give you a couple of data points:
First, the state of Ada standardization when I was funded to do
administrative tasks. Before I took over, the ARG had a succession of
volunteer editors. Toward the end, the only thing produced was meeting
minutes. No one had organized the suggested changes, or figured out the
effect on the standard (in some cases, the suggested changes were impossible
to fit into the standard and we ended up coming up with completely different
resolutions).
Once I took over, I spent a lot of time on that sort of administrative
tasks, and in other things that improved the process, like having on-line
access to version control for documents (prior to my taking over there was
no version control and on-line access was only to the most recent posted
version of a document - which often was well behind the current state). This
work was (and is) not much fun, and I think only someone who was getting
paid would do it for long. (I'll have been doing it 16 years this fall.
Wow.)
The second example is the ACATS. Here, I took over directly from another
paid person (Dan Lehman at the AVO). So I needed to make few changes to the
basic procedures or approaches; mainly I wrote down a lot of the procedures
that hadn't been well-documented in the past, and added a few new ones to
deal with public version control and a finer-grained and more formal
approach to correcting tests and issuing new tests.
In both cases, I think that having a paid person involved has ensured
quality that otherwise would not have happened. Working with volunteers is
often described as herding cats (because one can make little assumptions
about deadlines or quality of work - even in a group as knowledgeable and
committed as the ARG - one learns who can be trusted to do work on time, who
will wait to the last minute, and who probably will never produce anything).
Someone who can put the pieces together and is empowered to do that is
critical - and that person has to have a way to eat on jobs that will take
months.
[Of course, my opinion here may be more than a little biased, so please draw
your own conclusions.]
Randy.
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-04-19 14:31 OpenSSL development (Heartbleed) Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:06 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 15:41 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 15:36 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:00 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:34 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 17:06 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:13 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:39 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:42 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-21 23:51 ` Randy Brukardt [this message]
2014-04-22 15:20 ` G.B.
2014-04-22 16:33 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 16:57 ` Simon Clubley
2014-04-22 19:53 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-22 20:49 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-23 5:38 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-23 7:30 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 7:40 ` Natasha Kerensikova
2014-04-23 8:04 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2014-04-23 8:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-23 7:42 ` Egil H H
2014-04-23 8:06 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:06 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:42 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 16:59 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:12 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:20 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 20:53 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 21:10 ` [OT] OpenBSD, was: " Simon Clubley
2014-04-19 21:53 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 22:15 ` Nasser M. Abbasi
2014-04-19 22:34 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-20 8:17 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-20 16:49 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-22 12:18 ` G.B.
2014-04-19 15:47 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 16:21 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:46 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 19:22 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 20:33 ` Georg Bauhaus
2014-04-19 21:10 ` Alan Browne
2014-04-19 16:50 ` Yannick Duchêne (Hibou57)
2014-04-19 19:25 ` Alan Browne
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